Skill Discussions

Off your meds again?

I personally don't care, as I don't use BC or destroyers very often, though I will be training them to 5 just in case.

However, just as I am concerned about ship balance in EVE, I'm also concerned about balance when it comes to awarding something as important as skill points in EVE.

So if you have Destroyers level 5 and Battlecruisers level 5 then you get all destroyers to 5 and all battlecruisers to 5 ?

i tried your meds and well what can i say it had a effect i did not anticipated

Try this on for size: They don't have to have the same multiplier! The SP given could cover all 4 races to 5 if they do it right.

Currently BC's have 6x multiplier. They could give away enough sp to make it = to 8x mulitplier then make each racial BC a 2x.

Still cuts back on sp give out while allowing those who have L5 trained to get all L5 racials to 5 with thier sp instead.

So you think it is right for players to LOSE the ability to fly ships they could already be sitting in? wtf?

I can understand why you dont want SP awarded, but this is a FAR better option than stripping players of the ability to fly ships they can already fly. Surely you can agree with that. So unless CCP go back on the skill restructuring, this is their only option.

Unless you have a better idea?

Really? Who do people keep repeating this thing about not being able to fly all their command ships if they suddenly lost [racial] BC V? It's not even correct.

This isn't how ships and skills work in EVE. Take a look at prereqs for, say, Sleipniers:

Minmatar Cruiser V
Command Ships I
Heavy Assault Ships IV

This is what you need to sit in a Sleip. Now, you need other skills to be able to inject the required skills, but this is not at all the same thing as actually requiring BC V (that is, having it listed as the root the tree for either a primary, secondary or tertiary skill required). If you lost BC 5 right now, you'd still be able to fly it because you would still have Minmatar Cruiser V, Command Ships I and Heavy Assault Ships IV. Obviously in order to gain the ability to inject Command Ships you needed BC V. There's a big difference between "The ship's Primary Skill required is Battlecruisers V" and "To inject the skill Command Ships I need Battlecruisers V". Remember, there was no mention of the idea that losing BC V "untrains" the skills that depend on it. In fact, CCP even said that "because of how nested skills work", people would still be able to fly their all their CSs and whatnot even if they were to lose the BC V skill for some races. It should be clear by now why that is so.

HOWEVER, if the change were implemented in some way that doesn't give [racial] BC V to all the people who currently have the generic BC V skill trained, suddenly one of the ship skill bonuses for command ships becomes more interesting. For example, Sleip:
"Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 7.5% bonus to Shield Booster effectiveness per level"

So, people would still be able to fly all 4 races' command ships because see above, but the command ships in the race for which they don't have BC V suddenly become worse than they were. Currently these T1 ship skill bonuses for T2 ships are kind of odd because you already have them at V due to needing V to inject the T2 skillbook (might be better with wording like "ship type bonus" or something and have a flat value), and suddenly they do make a difference for some people (because you're in a ship for which you shouldn't have been able to inject one of the required skills given your current skill set). The difference between "able to fly" and "able to fly as before" becomes a non-zero value.

NB: The last two paragraphs are based on the idea that you will not get all racial BC V's even if you already have the generic BC V skill; it is unlikely to be the case. It seems to not be the plan CCP is likely to go with, nor do they have any concrete plans at all.

tho you are not completly wrong and about the command ships you are right funny as i never checked that . i just checked preq and then you need BC 5

tho he will miss out on ships he could fly ofc if they dont reimburse as he cant fly all races BCs and destroyers.

that is completly ridiculous! its rank 6 skill for a reason... would not make sense that its easier to learn how to fly a frigite or cruiser then the BC. suck it up there is no other way to do this proper for all persons then to:

1. give the players the SPs to train all the racial BCs and destroyers for as much as they could before
2. give them the racial skills accordingly what they could fly before the change

tho there are 2 options both gibving the same amount of SPs

u kinda got this wrong in your sleipnir example.With the new ship progression ccp considers, sleipnir will require bc 5 and It wont require any cruiser skill or any heavy assault ship skill.So this is kinda of a mess here.They say you wont "loose the ability" to fly the ships u already fly.What does this exactly means thoug
Here are a few questions i would really like to see some answers o

1) Suppose i have min cruisers 3, caldari cruisers 5(which i only trained for lets say tengu) and bc
a)Now with that setup i could fly a nighthawk (with some extra skills as well), but lets say the real reason i trained bc 5 was -lest say- to fly a perfect hurricane and a perfect drak
So after patch i still get min bc 5 and caldari bc5? If so i get for free another ship i previously couldnt fly and thats sleipnir(which i dont care about).They also let me fly nighthawk based on my previous skills which i also dont care abou
They give me caldari bc 5 which i do care about since it concerns the drake.How about min bc though?What are they going to give me? If they give me min bc 5 ill be happy.They can however give me min bc 2, which will still "give me the ability" to fly the hurricane(but not the sleipnir, which i couldnt fly before) but thats not the reason why i did train bc to lvl 5...

b)Also after the change you will need bc to 4 to train for bs.In my previous example i cannot fly min bs because i have min cruiser 3.So what happens now? i stay with min cruiser 3 and battlecruiser 5? Isnt this kinda hard since bc will require cruiser 4?And even so, i will still be able to inject the bs skill because ill have the bc skill at the correct re

c)lets say i trained amar bs 5 a few months ago, and i still have a lot to go for carrier.What will happen now? do i get the skill reimbersed? Surely you can say that the toon can still use it but thats obviously not the reason why someone would spend 30days training it.After all eve is all about specialization right?So if i had trained some navigation skills first, i get to win those 30days, if not, i get ccp and my friends to laugh down on me? Same goes for the command ships and dictors.If i trained for a sleipnir or a sabre do i get the cruiser and frigate skills reimbursed after the patc

It's like reading the same three different views on the subject a hundred times over in three hundred different formats. Thanks.

In any case... One thing I would like to announce: If you don't already have Battlecruisers V, you're doing it wrong. amiright?