Ships & Modules

HACs in general are obsolete. There are several factors to consider:

Speed
DPS and/or projection thereof
EHP
Cost

These are the big four. In the case of the Deimos it is outdone by the Talos. They have virtually the same EHP. They have virtually the same speed. (within 150m/s)The Talos exchanges some tracking to get significantly more DPS. For the sake of argument let us say that is a fair trade. Where the Deimos gets blown away though is the cost. For what you are paying to get there are more efficient choices. Consider:

Zealot vs. Oracle
Eagle vs. Naga
Munin vs. Tornado
Vaga vs. Cynabal

Although the Talos is indeed great and cheaper this is not why I personally have a Deimos. It is the T2 resist profile and then mainly vs. Therm/Kinetic.

So if I know I am fighting someone with Hybrids I take out the Deimos since its tank more than doubles to well over a 100k EHP fighting them.

I know it’s a niche, but it’s worth it to me.

You're right. I'm still going to set my training to large blaster specialization later today.

I think Zarnak is right in general but then the discussion kind of fell off a bit on the details.

Look at it like this instead:

When it comes to tracking the difference between M. LR + Tech II is not much different than the tracking of L. LR + Navy at preferrable ranges. The general things such as cost etc. still apply, but even tracking is not a non-issue. Medium weapons obviously have better potential tracking (as well as hardcap turret-sig), yet in most common application the tracking is not all too different - and definately not a factor over having twice the DPS and better alpha. That's the SHAC's obsolete.

The AHAC and this pertains very much to the Deimos got other issues instead, with the climate changing in Crucible. Deimos always were very useful for rushing HML-platforms. When alpha began to profile more throughout 2011 they took a bit of a dent as Arty alpha hit their resistance hole instead of their resistance peak and they would bloom under rush. People then began adapting DP-setups, because ships like Maels were still fairly static and it meant you could rush in spurts and then sig-tank.

Crucible (the Gallente buff-patch) changed that with the introduction of Tier 3 BC, who now retain Battleship firing solutions with SHAC mobility. Now it's no longer a question of rushing in spurts, because they will kite, extend the time you need to bloom, force you into sig-tank and then build range again. That means it's very hard for you to catch them in your timeframe of risk. Standard AHAC (such as Zealots) with just a 10mn AB will be kited indefinately, leading to stalemates beyond the odd derp or perfect web-paint tracking volleys from an experienced sniper group. That's the AHAC's obsolete.

Tier 3 BC, the devil.

I have another question:

In what situations Deimos is more preferable than Brutix? On the paper later seems to be superior in terms of firepower and costefficiency.

Shield Fit Deimos:
High:
Heavy Nuetron II x 6
Small Nos II
Mid:
10mn Experimental MWD
LSE II
Warp Scrambler II or Warp Disruptor II
Low:
MFS II x 3
TE II x 2
DC II
Rigs:
Shield EM x 2

Hammerhead II x 5

761 DPS overheated with Null. 8.2km Optimal and 22km falloff. That will beat a Vaga inside of point range. Outside of - you can warp off. For Non-Minmatar opponents you can switch to Void. That will get you 1002 DPS overheated with 4.4km optimal and 7.7km of falloff. It only has 28k EHP sans gang links. Amusingly this is close to the Vagabond though.

The Brutix is a powerful ship. Bonuses included it has the equivalent of 8.75 turrets to the Deimos' 7.5. It lacks the range of the Deimos as well as it's speed and endurance. The fit above is cap stable. You can permarun the MWD and Blasters. I find the fitting grid of the Deimos to be more favorable as well.

Here is some food for thought. Look at the relationship between the Enyo and it's Tech one hull, the incursus. The Incursus, before any mods, has:

391 Shield
460 Armor
460 Structure

The Enyo has:

465 Shield
1099 Armor
1495 Structure

Now the Thorax and the Deimos. The Thorax:

1905 Shield
2051 Armor
2344 Structure

The Deimos:

1450 Shield
2550 Armor
3164 Structure

It's not even close to the same percentage. Should it be? The Deimos based off the Thorax would then look like:

2266 Shield
4900 Armor
7618 Structure

Now clearly that would be overpowered- especially the structure. But the key part is that the easiest way to balance HACs would be to move their EHP closer to BC territory. Again, food for thought.

The Deimos, when backed by competent logi pilots, is a monster in wormhole combat AHAC fleets. In w-space, you start at balls-touching range and end it there. As Subversion says, you have to manage your sig radius when chasing with MWD, and this works vs Tornados more than anything, because they have 18s cycle times. Against pulse oracles, rail nagas, Talos's, the 5s cycl time vs 14s for your MWD sees you dead. Not worth undocking the Deimos unless you can get a warp at zero.