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Tier 3 BCs - any good for level 2 & 3 missions?
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Samroski
Middle-Earth
#1 - 2012-03-17 20:42:03 UTC
I have not had a chance to fly the new BCs. I need to do the standings grind for a couple of corps and was wondering if I could use one of these new ships to blitz some L2 and L3 missions?

Which, if any, would be the best ship to use? (am trained to fly all the BCs and can use all the turrets)

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Powers Sa
#2 - 2012-03-17 21:07:19 UTC
I've been using a sniping tornado. Check the damage types for what you will be running if you are actually killing all the rats. A naga can sit further out if you just want to

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Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-17 21:22:56 UTC
L3's maybe, still a lot of frigs though. D650s will probably give you enough range, damage and tracking to take advantage of your speed and fragile tank.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-17 21:32:09 UTC
Well theoretically the more DPS you do, the less tank you need. More DPS means that whatever is shooting at you will die faster and thus won't need to worry as much about tanking.

I'm not sure how this would work for Tier 3 BCs. I'm assuming you would just try kiting targets from extremely long ranges. Webbing frigs/ drones will be the end of you though if the room has a lot of incoming DPS.

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Critical Mass Inc
#5 - 2012-03-18 03:12:54 UTC
Ran a Tornado through some level 3s. Only problem I had was dealing with spider drones or a mass of webbing frigates if they got on top of me. (warp out and come back in).

Otherwise you're putting down some serious DPS before they can hit or hurt you. I'm still on the fence about the Tornado being overpowered. The lack of close range defense and tank hurts, but a pack of them can turn the local system in to a fine red mist.


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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-18 04:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
just downsize one of the guns, d'uuuuuuh


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Samroski
Middle-Earth
#7 - 2012-03-18 08:02:52 UTC
Thank you all for the input.

Am initially going to fit a tornado and try a few missions. Have also bought the other BCs. Not sure how many I can fit into an orca (2?) but will try and compare their performance and report back.

Would appreciate further guidance on fitting the other BCs for L3 missions.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#8 - 2012-03-18 10:35:55 UTC
How does it compare to running the same mission in a Tempest or Mael? For someone who just has been on a break since Incarna, these new battlecruisers seem to have mothballed battleships for pretty much everything if I'd believe the forums.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2012-03-18 10:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
May I ask… why?

The tier-3s are pretty much purposefully designed to be crap at what you're asking for; the tier-2s are designed to excel at it.

L2s and L3s are all about shooting frigates and cruisers (with the odd BC here and there with a bit more of them in the L3s) — the two ship calsses tier-3s are designed to be crap against. L3 is also the level at which you actually have to start thinking about your tanking, which is the other things tier-3s are designed to be crap at.

Compare this to the tier-2 BCs, which are designed to mass-murder cruisers and, to a slightly lesser degree, frigates and which are meant to project a sizeable tank while doing so.

Picking the tier-3 BCs for L2s and L3s is about the same as picking an assault frigate for L4s: doable and an interesting challenge, but far from the right tool for the job. Or, to answer your question: no, their-3 BCs are not any good for L2 and L3 missions — pretty much any competent mission ship you've learned to fly before them (except maybe some of the frigates) will be better.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-18 11:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
If you want to run level 2/3 missions use the small size large guns. No really they can hit npc Fritz easy. Its the one niche roll they have.

425 large autos
electron blasters.
Dual lasers
250 RAILS

Most level 2/3s are full on blitz these guns track well and some have ammo bonuses that can make that better etc. And low fitting needs let you have more tank options.

And talos has drones. Those guns are prob perfect fits to blitz low level missions.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2012-03-18 11:35:52 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
If you want to run level 2/3 missions use the small size large guns. No really they can hit npc Fritz easy. Its the one niche roll they have.

425 large autos
electron blasters.
Dual lasers
250 RAILS

Most level 2/3s are full on blitz these guns track well and some have ammo bonuses that can make that better etc. And low fitting needs let you have more tank options.

And talos has drones. Those guns are prob perfect fits to blitz low level missions.
The problem is that, if you go for medium guns, you lose the bonuses that the tier-3s provide and you just end up doing less damage than if you were in a tier-2 BC (while at the same time expending more ammunition to get the job done)… and aside form the Talos, you are still weaker to frigates than a lower-tier BC would make you.

Also, medium guns take up more fitting space than the large guns since, once again, the tier-3s provide special bonuses to those. So you do get less options for your tank if you fit smaller guns (unless we're talking about frigate guns, at which point you might as well fly a destroyer).
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-03-18 12:04:46 UTC
For my 2isk the answer is sure you CAN but I dont see why you would want to. If your looking for a good Tech1 bc hull then theres other to do it much more efficiently than the T3s. That being said if your looking for more challenge might I suggest getting into AFs. Those little buggers can do them, but you actually must manually fly them and know what you are doing.

Its less efficient either way but the enyo or (my current favorite) retribution is far more fun.
Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#13 - 2012-03-18 12:22:57 UTC
Just run lvl 3s in a normal BC gank fit.

Lvl 4s on the other hand are fun to blitz in the tier 3s
Firestorm Delta
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-18 13:32:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
If you want to run level 2/3 missions use the small size large guns. No really they can hit npc Fritz easy. Its the one niche roll they have.

425 large autos
electron blasters.
Dual lasers
250 RAILS

Most level 2/3s are full on blitz these guns track well and some have ammo bonuses that can make that better etc. And low fitting needs let you have more tank options.

And talos has drones. Those guns are prob perfect fits to blitz low level missions.
The problem is that, if you go for medium guns, you lose the bonuses that the tier-3s provide and you just end up doing less damage than if you were in a tier-2 BC (while at the same time expending more ammunition to get the job done)… and aside form the Talos, you are still weaker to frigates than a lower-tier BC would make you.

Also, medium guns take up more fitting space than the large guns since, once again, the tier-3s provide special bonuses to those. So you do get less options for your tank if you fit smaller guns (unless we're talking about frigate guns, at which point you might as well fly a destroyer).


He doesn't mean use medium guns. Use the smallest caliber of large guns. A Naga with 8 twin 250s and the right mods to boost tracking does just fine against cruisers and frigs. Is it as good as lets say a drake? not really, but its more fun.

Also the most practical one for doing lower level missions would be the talos. Hands down. Smallest large blasters, some simple tank, and some light drones. Would do just fine in lvl 3s.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#15 - 2012-03-18 16:26:58 UTC
I am with Tippia. The Tier 2 BCs are so ungodly good at L2 and L3 missions that it just seems stupid to use a Tier 3 BC in one of these.

This is particularly true for any of them without a drone bay - the person who said he had to warp out to deal with small stuff just proved that the Tier 3 BCs suck at missions.

If an experienced player ever has to warp out of a L2 or L3 mission... he has failed at Eve.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Samroski
Middle-Earth
#16 - 2012-03-18 16:35:32 UTC
Thank you all for the advice.

Tippia wrote:
May I ask… why?

Basically because I have not flown these ships- and as a carebear I am unlikely to get many chances to fly them. I understand that these ships are not good options- just using this opportunity to get to know them.

RougeOperator wrote:
If you want to run level 2/3 missions use the small size large guns.....And talos has drones. Those guns are prob perfect fits to blitz low level missions.

Thanks for the advice. Will try.

Froggy Storm wrote:
That being said if your looking for more challenge might I suggest getting into AFs.

I'll take a couple of AFs along as well while I'm at it.

Firestorm Delta wrote:
Also the most practical one for doing lower level missions would be the talos. Hands down. Smallest large blasters, some simple tank, and some light drones. Would do just fine in lvl 3s.

Talos is now on my list. Will initially compare the tornado with the talos.

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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-18 17:00:58 UTC
why spend 60m on ships that are (purposfully) terrible at what you want? Spend ~30m on a brutix or other tier 1 bc and go whip ass.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-03-18 18:38:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
If you want to run level 2/3 missions use the small size large guns. No really they can hit npc Fritz easy. Its the one niche roll they have.

425 large autos
electron blasters.
Dual lasers
250 RAILS

Most level 2/3s are full on blitz these guns track well and some have ammo bonuses that can make that better etc. And low fitting needs let you have more tank options.

And talos has drones. Those guns are prob perfect fits to blitz low level missions.
The problem is that, if you go for medium guns, you lose the bonuses that the tier-3s provide and you just end up doing less damage than if you were in a tier-2 BC (while at the same time expending more ammunition to get the job done)… and aside form the Talos, you are still weaker to frigates than a lower-tier BC would make you.

Also, medium guns take up more fitting space than the large guns since, once again, the tier-3s provide special bonuses to those. So you do get less options for your tank if you fit smaller guns (unless we're talking about frigate guns, at which point you might as well fly a destroyer).



Read again. Open your market tab and look and see that Im Talking about LARGE GUNS with those names mate.

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Samroski
Middle-Earth
#19 - 2012-03-19 03:49:12 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
why spend 60m on ships that are (purposfully) terrible at what you want? Spend ~30m on a brutix or other tier 1 bc and go whip ass.

I've already done this- multiple times. I want to fly the new ships.

Any colour you like.
Caha Evano
Victory of Samothrace
#20 - 2012-03-19 14:14:30 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Tippia wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
If you want to run level 2/3 missions use the small size large guns. No really they can hit npc Fritz easy. Its the one niche roll they have.

425 large autos
electron blasters.
Dual lasers
250 RAILS

Most level 2/3s are full on blitz these guns track well and some have ammo bonuses that can make that better etc. And low fitting needs let you have more tank options.

And talos has drones. Those guns are prob perfect fits to blitz low level missions.
The problem is that, if you go for medium guns, you lose the bonuses that the tier-3s provide and you just end up doing less damage than if you were in a tier-2 BC (while at the same time expending more ammunition to get the job done)… and aside form the Talos, you are still weaker to frigates than a lower-tier BC would make you.

Also, medium guns take up more fitting space than the large guns since, once again, the tier-3s provide special bonuses to those. So you do get less options for your tank if you fit smaller guns (unless we're talking about frigate guns, at which point you might as well fly a destroyer).



Read again. Open your market tab and look and see that Im Talking about LARGE GUNS with those names mate.


he is talking about guns like this. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dual_250mm_Railgun_I

and this http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dual_425mm_AutoCannon_I
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