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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2012-03-19 18:50:16 UTC
"i do not find the goons interesting, just tiresome" - person who is constantly posting about goons

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Josef Djugashvilis
#122 - 2012-03-19 19:34:15 UTC
Hello Weasel, it passed the time.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#123 - 2012-03-19 20:03:45 UTC
I, too, pass the time engrossed in things about which I claim not to care. This is why you will find that I am the single most prolific poster on the forums dot EVE Online, you see, because I don't care about EVE Online. How much don't I care about it, you ask? A little bit over ten thousand likes worth, that's how much. And nothing you say or do will make me care about it, no sir! PS I am a super rich guy in real life and my supermodel girlfriend(s) all think you're pathetic.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-03-19 20:05:00 UTC
also you're literallyhitler

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2012-03-19 20:26:38 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Sidus, are you the youngest member of the Goons?

Or is it just your spite filled posts that make you seem so young and immature?



I'm not the one using the deaths of 50 million people to create a false argument about internet spaceship politics. Only a child or someone completely lacking empathy would do that. Not only that, but your character is named after one of the principle architects (Iosef Stalin) of both the major genocides in WW2 as well as before WW2 in the Ukraine.

Which is more mature? Using a tragedy as a tool for an online argument or actually being able to consider such a serious topic inappropriate for this forum. In your hatred of us, you've become much worse than we are.
Josef Djugashvilis
#126 - 2012-03-19 20:41:01 UTC
I did not, and would not assert that the Goons were in any way copying the third reich. I am simply of the opinion that a self proclaimed political operator like mittens should have been, well, a bit more politcally savvy.

I am well aware of what' Uncle Joe' did in his time.

Isaac Deutscher wrtote an excellent political biograpy of Stalin.

Oh, and I do not think the GoOns are bad. They have made Eve an even better game in many ways.

It is some of their more childish posters their terminology I have little time for - pubbies, aspies etc.

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Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-03-19 21:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Triskian
Y h'lo thar pubbies!

I'm a Goon, and since Issler is a girl on the internet and I'm supposed to be some sort of megacreeper (ps Issler I am a millionaire irl and single) I thought it would be my duty to answer her obviously not-loaded question.

First let's setup a little backstory, so you all know where I'm coming from here.

I'm 25. This is me. (ED appears to be down atm) A timeless article about the past 10 of the 23 years of my time spent on this here internet. As you can tell, I am a persistent and utterly terrible troll. Sadly yes, I did help found a *chan, something I regret to this day and will likely regret for the rest of my life. We all make mistakes, this is to show you I'm human and capable of being just as stupid as anyone else if I want to be.

These days I live on a farm in rural Ontario alone, my parents visit on most weekends and my best friend is an Amish guy named Joseph. After having spent a few years working as a computer engineer doing physical design of digital and analog ICs at a startup that got bought out by a big firm, I got bored and quit. Thus making me rich and enabling me to do hilariously stupid things with my now boatloads of freetime.

I've been playing EVE off and on since Beta, having jumped over from Earth and Beyond after pubbies complained loud enough to ruin the game whilst it was still in it's own beta. My main, Triskian, has been around since September of 2005, and was once a member of Hirr and also a now-dead corp known as The Recon Squad. I didn't even know there was a Goon presence in the game as I'd been just lurking SA for a year and had only just joined SA about a month before making this character. I was outed from both for being a Goon without really understanding why. After quitting EVE for about a year of posting far too much in The Crackhead Clubhouse subforum I saw a recruitment ad on SA for Goonfleet and figured I'd give EVE another shot since this time I'd be flying with people I knew who wouldn't instantly hate me for being a member of an internet forum that has nothing to do with EVE. This didn't last long and I quit during the early days of the first Great War. I've been back for just under 2 years now after reading about the comedy that Karttoon caused and longing for the days of playing an MMO that doesn't cause mind-numbing levels of personal boredom and rage. It's really the only game that can hold my interest for a prolonged period of time.

I am not very good at pvp. I find going on ops that last for hours to be either inconvenient or just outright boring, go on an op with DBRB as FC and you'll realize quickly why everyone hates him. Shooting rats doesn't excite me. Running missions is pretty boring. What lured me into this game originally was Mining and Production, both of which I'm still fairly terrible at but at least they provided some form of entertainment, I could stare at a rock for hours while shooting it back during my early days playing EVE and would love to do so again. My null-sec capship production business is basically at a stand-still as a result of it being a bottomless pit you shovel isk into and anyone in lowsec can easily outcompete me in my chosen profession.

Now that that is out of the way, let me explain why I voted for The Mittani instead of say, someone like you, Issler, or one of the other production/mining-minded candidates.

I've watched several games go downhill fast and end in utter ruin, to be forever ridiculed and hated by everyone who ever played it. Always have they been ruined by people who thought only of themselves and the agenda of people just like them. Always have them been ruined by people who just couldn't see the big picture and wanted something like faster levelling, more ingame currency from the same old repetative task, overpowered uberloot, free jedis for everyone, or things like that. We've all seen games that have gone from either mediocre with a lot of promise, or great with a lot of promise, to utterly terrible to the point nobody pays anymore and the game dies an ignoble death.

A CSM not lead by someone of a similar mind to The Mittani is what lead to all of this game's problems in the first place. No one else has shown they have the balls, or really even the intelligence and capacity to lead this game in the direction it needs to go. A CSM filled with people like you would just continue to make nullsec production/mining harder and less profitable than it already is because you don't understand how bad the situation out in the wild west of space really is. People like you want to make mining and production better for people in hisec and lowsec, and my contention is that things as they are there are fine (or will be after the drone nerf). People like you would just continue to ignore the problems nullsec faces at best, and at worse, actively seek to make nullsec even worse than it already is. The Mittani wants to fix things all over the galaxy, he understands the problems people face everywhere, not just in their walled garden that they never leave.

Until the hilarious day that Mittens goes **** goons and scampers off with all of our stuff, in the traditional fashion of a Goonswarm CEO and quits the game, I will continue to vote for him every time he runs. And hey, even if he doesn't quit after going **** goons, I'd still vote for him, because he gives a **** about this game and everyone in it be they goon or pubbie.

Of course, I'm just a goon, I made the mistake of giving someone $10 to make terrible posts on their web forum and will be forever stigmatized as a result. Feel free to completely discount my post based on that.
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-03-19 21:45:03 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I ...PS I am a super rich guy in real life and my supermodel girlfriend(s) all think you're pathetic.


You sure you’re not Cleve Grothsmore?
Josef Djugashvilis
#129 - 2012-03-19 21:53:46 UTC
The cross-bar on your house door...much rural crime, or to keep the other Goons out?

This post is meant to be light hearted by the way.

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Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-03-19 22:12:43 UTC
If you notice, the door doesn't have a deadbolt. I don't use that door and the 2x4 is more to keep the door closed than locked. It doesn't have weather stripping either so the bar keeps it from rattling in the wind and letting cold air into the house in winter. Read the captions for the pictures and you'll see that I'm tearing this house down and building a new one.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-03-19 22:21:16 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I ...PS I am a super rich guy in real life and my supermodel girlfriend(s) all think you're pathetic.


You sure you’re not Cleve Grothsmore?

I wish I was half as unintentionally funny as that guy. Cry

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#132 - 2012-03-19 22:59:23 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
I've gotten the impression that this thread isn't so much "Why did people vote for Mittani", because that's been made clear, as it is "Why didn't people vote for me?"

It's already been made clear why people voted for Mittani.

They didn't vote for you for the following reasons:

1. Your big push came after voting was wrapping up.
2. Your big push consisted mostly of making threads here, which only appeals to a small audience.
3. Your ideas, which have something to do with walking in stations and mining, weren't fleshed out.
4. You focused on how much you hate goons and how you're the non-goon candidate rather than fleshing out your ideas and debating them.
5. Seriously, flesh out your damn ideas and debate them. If you ragepost about goons, we'll troll you because it means you're a fun diversion. Trolling a genuinely well reasoned, well intentioned, and well presented argument isn't something many of us would do.
6. Any ideas you do have are vastly overshadowed by your terrible campaign manager. How many anti-goon candidates have there been? How many have gotten more exposure than you? You're splitting a small vote.

My advice is this. You want to be the WiS/mining candidate? Put together the best goddamn set of ideas for mining and walking in stations anyone has ever seen and try again next year. Think of ways to use mining to bring industry to nullsec, make mining by non-botters viable and competitive, and all the other issues I'm not aware of. Present multiple solutions to each problem, debate pros and cons, and all that crap. Do the same thing for walking in stations, with the additional caveat that you need to explain why resources from flying in space should be diverted or how to avoid diverting resources.

Basically, you need to make it clear you absolutely know your **** and are not using a gimmick like "I hate goons grrr" to win. Then people will talk about your ideas rather than your joke of a campaign manager. Then maybe you'll get invited to debates (as it is, you'd fall more on the comedy/Xenuria spectrum of why someone would debate with you). In the debate, you'll get exposure. Then, maybe you'll win.

As it is, all I remember about you is you keep posting really stupid anti-goon threads and it's pretty funny but getting tired.


I started my effort well before the election began. I definitely didn't start this thread to understand why folks didn't vote for me. I genuinely wanted to understand who the spamming for mittens were persuaded and if the spammers really felt the got traction.

I don't hate goons, I was one once. Part of the friction I had with BRUCE that contributed to our leaving was they refused to "blue" the goons while we were in Syndicate. So stop repeating that lie.

And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".

I didn't ask for your advice as to how to run for the CSM. I asked if the pro mittens spam worked and why. It is part of my interest in the human nature aspects of life in Eve.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
esc shk
Okay Sax
#133 - 2012-03-19 23:05:41 UTC
You're pretty stupid fyi.
esc shk
Okay Sax
#134 - 2012-03-19 23:06:06 UTC
Did you pay a :10bux: to post on our forums and then get permabanned Issler?
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#135 - 2012-03-19 23:06:17 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".


Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself?

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#136 - 2012-03-19 23:09:26 UTC
Triskian wrote:
Y h'lo thar pubbies!

People like you would just continue to ignore the problems nullsec faces at best, and at worse, actively seek to make nullsec even worse than it already is. The Mittani wants to fix things all over the galaxy, he understands the problems people face everywhere, not just in their walled garden that they never leave.
t.


First, a shout to someone else from E&B.

I have no desire and have never stated that I am anti-null. In fact I have stated repeatedly null is where the very best rewards should be found. What I do believe and have stated repeatedly is Eve needs to be viewed in its entirety, not just one segment without regard to what affect it has on the others. It is the giant intertwined balance of the 'verse in Eve that makes this game so good.

So your premise about what I stand for and would seek to do to Eve is elected to the CSM 7 is flat out wrong. I could say the same for some of the other candidates as well, your impression on how they would affect in a negative Eve is also skewed.

What you will do getting Mittens elected by an even larger margin in fact will damage the CSM in the long run. CCP has already said they are concerned about the skewed nature of the CSM members and the a large portion of players actively oppose the CSM as they view it as yet another power block meta-game. Reelection of Mittens with record numbers just makes that even clearer.

But thanks for a reply, even if I think your logic is flawed and that you didn't bother to research anything I've posted or represent.

If I could I'd contract you a Tada O Heart Shield to thank you for your reply.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
esc shk
Okay Sax
#137 - 2012-03-19 23:11:54 UTC
Oh yes. Probably the most politically savvy player in the entire game getting elected by a clear margin is bad for the future of the game.

Dear Lord honey you and I need to have a talk
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#138 - 2012-03-19 23:13:06 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".


Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself?


It is not directed at Hans, I am just explaining why I didn't create a ginormous bible of "Eve According to Issler" which a lot of people have criticized me for nor providing. Its not like I'm new to Eve, not active in the forums and in Eve itself. By now I should be somewhat of a known quantity. Hans seems to be a pretty decent candidate and I expect him to do well in this election.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2012-03-19 23:20:11 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


I started my effort well before the election began. I definitely didn't start this thread to understand why folks didn't vote for me. I genuinely wanted to understand who the spamming for mittens were persuaded and if the spammers really felt the got traction.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


We post because most of the ideas that The Mittani has jive with our own.

As for gaining 'traction'? We do it partly to drum up votes, partly to generate comedy in the form of awful posts and threads from pubbies. #2 is far more successful than #1.


D Derp
Rifter Pilot
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub CEO
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#140 - 2012-03-19 23:21:23 UTC
esc shk wrote:
Oh yes. Probably the most politically savvy player in the entire game getting elected by a clear margin is bad for the future of the game.

Dear Lord honey you and I need to have a talk


Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!

Issler