EVE General Discussion

last I check, isk from incursion all go into individuals' wallet. while to hold moon goo and profit from it, big alliance need to attract ppl with ship reimbursement program and ****. and as I know -A- has a reimbursement program for T3

PvE driven Themepark MMORPGs yes, but PvP driven Sandbox MMORPGs no, you're wrong!

Again, nice straw man. The issue isn't that a few people are getting rich — the issue is that a massive amount of ISK is injected by a low number of participants.

Compared to keeping a profitable moon? Nope.

What economical issues are there with moon goo (aside from being a deflationary materials faucet)?

First of all, no, it doesn't. It injects about ⅔ the amount. Wspace is also 0.0, and thus deserve a higher payout, so even if it did, that would be kind of expected. More the to point, though, since you seem to be missing it, just like Darth here: how many people are running those wspace sweeps?

Oh look, another example of a live herpaderp, lol

not very good at understanding Economy are you?... Suggest maybe you dont comment on things you know nothing about?

If the people who are running incursions right now, were NOT running incursions, like, I dont know..BEFORE Incursions came out.... what do you think they would be doing?... nothing? Perhaps in your mind they are having a lovley cup of tea while taking screenshots of ships?... maybe you believe them all to be sat on their sofa in the captains quarters watching the screen?

Oh wait... you thought that before incursions people were running ship spinning contests? Because before incusions came out it never even crossed their mind to make any ISK what so ever...


Seriously, either get a brain or admit that the whole incursion inflation thing was a story, a lie, a deception meant to catch simple minded people.

They would be injecting a lot less isk into the system.

I`m no expert but IMHO EVE economy had issues with ISK befoure incursions it`s just that Incursions was the last drop that the economy could cope with. Now the extra ISK effect is noticable even by a casual pl like me.
I liked the lvl5 in hi sec more

a myrmidon is sold for more isk than before you say.

could it have anything to do with the mineral prices spiking due to:
1. wars in the drone regions.
2. mass bans of bots (it's sad that bots have to be taken for granted but welp)
3. people buying up existing stocks of ships due to the increases in mineral prices, e.g for reprocessing.
4. speculators driving up mineral prices due to some chaos data suggesting no more drone alloys.
5. speculators driving up prices in general (and the .01-isking is still unpenalized).


in fact, i'm off to produce some myrmidons because it seems i can sell them at an n1 price.

(p.s. - i think hisec vanguard farming is a disgrace)

You got it mixed up babe Incursions inject 2/3 the amount of ISK in the form of blue loot here is my citation http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html

When was the last time you saw an incursion fleet field several hundred ships at a cost of 200+ billion and lose it all to titans. Then field another 200 bil in ships when the tower comes out of its timer?

…and I get my data from my own collection of sources, where it's about ⅔, and the numbers you just linked to show that you're wrong regardless. Maybe you should read them before posting, hmm…?

But sure, it's probably seasonal — people export and sell off in bulk once enough has been gathered up, so let's place it somewhere between the two. That puts it at the same level as incursion, and the question remains the same: how many people are running those wspace sweeps?

Last I saw any numbers on, a bit over 5 percent of the population lived in wspace, making those 300:ish billion ISKs per day spread over 35k+ wspacers, for a meagre 8M ISK injected per character per day. This is of course a massive increase over the average mission runner's 1.8M ISK per runner per day (which is probably be higher still, since not all of those 35k will be collecting blue loot), but it's still a lo-o-o-ong way behind the average incursion runner's 120M ISK injected per character per day.

It's not even close. Stop pretending to be a blithering idiot — you're not that stupid. The manpower and running costs are insignificant compared to keeping a moon safe. So no, it's not a considerable investment in manpower and ISK compared to holding a moon.

You could. Do you have any shred of evidence? Or, to restate the question since you didn't actually answer it: what economical issues are there with moon goo?