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New dev blog: Price Indices – February 2012

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Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-03-19 14:15:56 UTC
There is no such thing as PvE risk in Hisec unless you're an idiot or afk in the middle of an operation.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Michael Turate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-03-19 14:57:24 UTC
My guess is that the isk in Eve is not the problem, it's just that the uber rich need more things to spend their isk on other than things that generate more isk for them. High sec needs to go up for sale, player space mansions with big portraits on the side of them, system ownership with the ability to re-name stations etc - nothing that gives any in-game advantage but concrete things that provide Eve immortality for the lucky few. The property equation is missing at the moment, look at what rich people do in real life, construct estates, build statues, put up buildings with their names on - it's all done for prestige rather than profit because when you get to the top of the tree this is the only thing left to buy.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#103 - 2012-03-19 17:03:02 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Want to increase the offer of products to drop inflation???

Introduce the cloak hunter ship! There will be more people in nullsec, minning and producing stuff! Since now the most safe thing to do there is to farm bounty! Check on the eve sov development indices on the map menu! Every time some industry reaches lvl5 someone camp afk in the system.... and everything cools down...

CCP Fix this! there are no production without minerals! So the prices run UP! If there are more minners in null the prices will go down and there will be more fun!

We know you guys are working on it! Also we know that it have to be a destroyer! And we know that the sooner you release it the better!!! Start the Sisi Tests asap!!!


People who are dumb enough to not be able to control dscan will die in null, to stuff that doesn't have cloaks fitted either.
We could just remove local instead, plus dead ships are good for the economy.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Sigras
Conglomo
#104 - 2012-03-19 18:24:58 UTC
I would reserve judgement on how the drone regions gaining bounties is going to effect inflation until after the titan nerf goes through.

I have a feeling that these two things may cancel each other out as I have seen many a titan make >200 million isk/hour ratting.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#105 - 2012-03-19 19:27:02 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
There is no such thing as PvE risk in Hisec unless you're an idiot or afk in the middle of an operation.


And yet their income matches or surpasses low-, null and wh income.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Zircon Dasher
#106 - 2012-03-19 19:40:28 UTC
There is no PVE risk in AnySec unless you're an idiot or afk.

Highsec income potential surpassing all other space is pure BS at the micro level. At the macro level it is true, but only because of how so much of the game's PVE content scales linearly with population.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Prodomicer
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-03-19 20:47:27 UTC
Do the sales of Player characters figure into your data ?
A ton of isk being traded on characters.
Zircon Dasher
#108 - 2012-03-19 20:55:13 UTC
Prodomicer wrote:
Do the sales of Player characters figure into your data ?
A ton of isk being traded on characters.


Are you implying that the 5k ISK that gets put into the economy when a character is created is having a dramaitic impact on the economy?Lol

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-03-19 22:07:47 UTC
Next time it would be cool to get knowledge of the distribution of ISK. The last one is from 2009.
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-03-20 10:15:53 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Want to increase the offer of products to drop inflation???

Introduce the cloak hunter ship! There will be more people in nullsec, minning and producing stuff! Since now the most safe thing to do there is to farm bounty! Check on the eve sov development indices on the map menu! Every time some industry reaches lvl5 someone camp afk in the system.... and everything cools down...
!


People who are dumb enough to not be able to control dscan will die in null, to stuff that doesn't have cloaks fitted either.
We could just remove local instead, plus dead ships are good for the economy.



Even when you are using dscan, you will die. I did this to miners before and will do this to them again. A simple covert cyno is the key
Dratic
TURN LEFT
#111 - 2012-03-20 10:51:39 UTC
Character sales and the plex that are used in the transfers are just moving isk around no isk is generated from it
Someone at the very beginning of the chain earned the isk via bounties, incursions or completed a courier mission then the isk was traded. Even if someone has done nothing but trade to buy those characters someone once shot a rat or did a mission to get the isk

The biggest problem is too much supply of isk. Incursions produce a lot of isk for the time spent in them
Anomalies in nullsec are a similar problem but have more drawbacks as the upgrades need to be bought and upkeep paid
Nullsec is a wasteland at the moment as it is no longer worth the effort compared to a hisec where there is so little risk or investment to get comparable rewards. Incursions do not require any upkeep and the only thing clawing back any isk is the lp store but at a tiny amount compared to lvl 4s.
The sov system was barely worth the effort when upgrading trash space gave a nice ratting ground for people then they spectacularly messed that up and then introduced incursions. Group content shouldn't necessarily pay more per person just because they group up. Social content is a welcome addition but as a consequence people will farm the content for longer than they would on their own therefore making them more money. Of course for those who love grind this doesn't make a difference but for casual players it can make a huge difference between attempting content in the first place
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-03-20 16:12:15 UTC
The Snowman wrote:
aaaaaaahahaha!

FFUuuuuuuuuuuu people who claim incursions cause inflation hahaha....

In the end it was actually 0.0 carebears running anomolies that was causing inflation.




Probably bots, which go for bounties only. Given people have admitted to having upto 100 botting accounts paying for Titans and SC's and SRP's for Corps, it leads to a couple of conclusions, but bots would be my pick.
Dr 0wnage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-03-21 22:03:19 UTC
So what this tells me is that nearly 10 trillion isk was paid out to people killing npcs in the safety of hi-sec...

Hell, why even go to 0.0???
The Snowman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-03-22 17:20:34 UTC
Dr 0wnage wrote:
So what this tells me is that nearly 10 trillion isk was paid out to people killing npcs in the safety of hi-sec...

Hell, why even go to 0.0???


No it doesnt.

If you actually go and DO some incursions most people you'll meet are 0.0 alts sick to death of ratting or anomoly running.

And the rest were mission runners, miners and high-sec exploration anyway.

So while 10 tril is indeed a lot, before Incursions people were already making a lot doing other things. so its not like suddenly there is 10 tril MORE, in fact its probably only about half that.......

Not only that, the 9 trillion is from ALLLL incursions, not just high-sec ones, unless your saying that NOONE runs 0.0 uncursions? Which cant be true.
Aren Dar
EVE University
Ivy League
#115 - 2012-03-22 17:33:40 UTC
Nair Alderau wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
To what extend can those increased prices be explained by the following factors:


Increased demand for maelstrom, Drakes, 1400mm guns, heavy missile launchers and maybe abbadons, lazers and tier 3 battlecruisers?

Plex prices?

Zydrine speculation?


None of the above. Which is quite easy to prove.

The first group is downright ... strange. Prices for T1 and T2 items are set by raw material prices, not demand (or only for a very short time period).


Well, the most recent rise in prices for T1 and T2 items certainly seems to be mineral related. Specifically those minerals that can be refined out of drone poo have risen faster than others - which tends to point to the war in the drone regions and the associated disruption in supply as a source of price rises.
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
#116 - 2012-03-22 19:48:16 UTC
obviously un-nerfing anomalies so even the worst scrub alliances could make bank in any 0.0 was a mistake
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#117 - 2012-03-23 20:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Tetragammatron Prime wrote:
obviously un-nerfing anomalies so even the worst scrub alliances could make bank in any 0.0 was a mistake



The majority of botters live in Caldari Empire space.

Blammo.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#118 - 2012-03-29 06:50:57 UTC
Michael Turate wrote:
My guess is that the isk in Eve is not the problem, it's just that the uber rich need more things to spend their isk on other than things that generate more isk for them. High sec needs to go up for sale, player space mansions with big portraits on the side of them, system ownership with the ability to re-name stations etc - nothing that gives any in-game advantage but concrete things that provide Eve immortality for the lucky few. The property equation is missing at the moment, look at what rich people do in real life, construct estates, build statues, put up buildings with their names on - it's all done for prestige rather than profit because when you get to the top of the tree this is the only thing left to buy.


Philantropy is in vogue nowadays :) Give me your ISK!
Dr Sodius
#119 - 2012-04-08 07:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Sodius
hold on a sec...

are you telling me, that nearly 33 trillion isk are coming only from bounties each month? holy ****, thats freaky Shocked

could you please show a graph, where all the bounty comes from? i.e. missions, ratting, plexing etc in

high sec

low sec

zero zero



that would be great, really!

because if 40% or more bounty comes from high sec, you should consider a revamp of the mission system as well ...


move all lvl 4 agents into low sec, at least the good ones ... leaving lvl 4 -20 in high sec

players in npc corps shouldnt be allowed to do lvl 4 missions in high sec, maxium lvl 3... war immunity should cost more taxes and joining or creating a corp should release you from this binding and open new possibilities ...

allow alliances who own sov and outposts in zero zero to "install" agents as well, primary security and mining agents

stations services in high sec should cost isk, period! the more are using the service, the more expensive it gets...
low sec is free


nothing, absolutly nothing should be for free in high sec! period!