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Crime Spree

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-03-20 05:41:18 UTC
Goons aren't coming up with clever grief. They're using the same old tools of... mostly just suicide ganks.

I mean, they're one of the largest alliances in the game, so they do it to incredible effect, but it's not exactly high-powered Kung Fu they're using to do it.

I would even go so far as to say that they havn't had any really clever grief since Kartoon was running the Jihad.

Believe me, if they were actually coming up with interesting **** and having it slapped down by CCP, the CSM campaigns would have a very different focus.

tl;dr Goons have jumped the shark.
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-03-20 07:20:07 UTC
It's funny: I don't play any other game but this one because I like the risks. At the same time I'm not in the game to prey on the weak. Complaining about changes that make it harder for you to suicide gank or can flip someone is like... well...

Complaining that someone held you back from beating up a cripple...

The solution, the one that probably won't be implemented because it would take too much work, is to change the mechanics for PVE and PVP so that ships for both activities are fitted the same.

As for small gang PVP: Get into W space. It's null sec without all the bullshit politics. You get to use all the gear with no restrictions, shoot anything that lands on grid without GCC, and there are limits on how much mass can pass through a worm hole (so no blobs). As an extra added bonus you'll actually be shooting at people that have the skills and fitting knowledge to fight back -no more beating up the crippled kids...

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-03-20 08:09:24 UTC
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#104 - 2012-03-20 13:52:55 UTC
I agree with the OP. As someone who has never pirated, griefed, ganked, scammed or even smack talked in local I think the nerfing of the criminal lifestyle in Eve is getting out of hand. One of the reasons I like Eve is that even in high security space it's not really safe. If CCP continues to make it difficult and unattractive for the scumbags (no offense C&P) to operate all that will be left is the rather sterile and monotonous PVE content. There will be no point in playing any more.

I generally prefer to play games in a friendly, cooperative manner and be nice to other people until they cross me first, but CCP is starting to make me want to go ganking.
Kynig Parapoyos
The Phylaxis Group
#105 - 2012-03-20 13:54:05 UTC
lol, scumbags donating isk to kill the bears!

You're sure, you still have the donations and that someone hasn't run off with it yet! Big smileBig smileBig smile
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#106 - 2012-03-20 17:04:40 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:
As for small gang PVP: Get into W space.


We're living in w-space right now. It's boring, too. I prowl any connecting wormholes we get and sometimes go 2-3 layers deep looking for targets and find very little.

Oh, well. At least I'm making decent money without having to put up with incursioners.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-03-20 17:16:30 UTC
Quote:
Highsec has been getting safer and safer. Every time one of us thinks up some clever way to visit violence upon carebears, we get nerfed. We keep thinking up more interesting stuff, but it only lasts so long before it gets nerfed.


That tends to happen when you exploit game mechanics. D'oh! o\
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#108 - 2012-03-20 17:24:11 UTC
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:
I agree with the OP. As someone who has never pirated, griefed, ganked, scammed or even smack talked in local I think the nerfing of the criminal lifestyle in Eve is getting out of hand. One of the reasons I like Eve is that even in high security space it's not really safe. If CCP continues to make it difficult and unattractive for the scumbags (no offense C&P) to operate all that will be left is the rather sterile and monotonous PVE content. There will be no point in playing any more.

I generally prefer to play games in a friendly, cooperative manner and be nice to other people until they cross me first, but CCP is starting to make me want to go ganking.




Your name is probably one of the best I have ever seen.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Andrea Griffin
#109 - 2012-03-20 17:30:21 UTC
You know those people who go "BAW!" all over local and the forums, and we ask for their stuff before they go? Yeah, they never give their stuff away. Selfish bastards! So to compensate for this horrible crime against humanity, I will provide a hauler full of Stuff (tm). I'll contract this to the producer of the Best Tears at the end of the competition, as judged by Psychotic Monk.

Normally I provide this prize during Hulkageddon, but since Helicity bailed on us I still have my Stuff (tm). This competition seems like the proper place to put it to good use.

Mr. Monk, please feel free to toss me an EveMail when the competition is over and I'll contract the Stuff (tm) to the winner.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#110 - 2012-03-20 17:51:35 UTC
Ever notice how when it's yours it's "stuff" but when it's someone else's, it's "sh*t"?

-Carlin

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Andrea Griffin
#111 - 2012-03-20 17:57:23 UTC
Hey now, don't dis my Stuff (tm)! It's usually worth between 100-150m or so. : >
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#112 - 2012-03-20 18:01:52 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
You know those people who go "BAW!" all over local and the forums, and we ask for their stuff before they go? Yeah, they never give their stuff away. Selfish bastards!


On the contrary someone made a ragequit thread and I chatted to him in-game and he gave me about 2.5b ISK and contracted me some shiny ships too.

Zedrik Cayne did the same when he quit but the bugger came back and I gave him most of it back Ugh

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Judeau Antara
Farseer Exploration Guild
#113 - 2012-03-20 19:24:47 UTC
Although I don't support the idea of snuffing out piracy (I absolutely love the fact that there is the risk of pirates anywhere in EVE) I do find it hilarious that this thread is filled with pirate tears. Griefers crying about not being able to grief enough P

Either way, here is to hoping they don't carebear up the game too much.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-03-20 21:40:01 UTC
Updated the OP to reflect some of the donations! Go check it out!
Andrea Griffin
#115 - 2012-03-21 00:14:02 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
On the contrary someone made a ragequit thread and I chatted to him in-game and he gave me about 2.5b ISK and contracted me some shiny ships too.

Zedrik Cayne did the same when he quit but the bugger came back and I gave him most of it back Ugh
I'm totally jealous. I would have given Zed his stuff back too though. He's exceptionally entertaining!
JusFooling Around
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2012-03-21 01:59:04 UTC
Such whiners!

Beginning with the OP - whine this, whine that - woe is us - CCP is so against us!

TIme to lay face down - kick and scream.

You guys are hopeless... No wonder I couldn't stand being around so many whiners... why I waited so long to put your sarry asses in my rear view mirror, I'll never know. Somehow, I kept thinking the average IQ would get above idiot and when I left, I know I set it way back toward zero.

You guys are jokes
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#117 - 2012-03-21 02:16:41 UTC
JusFooling Around wrote:
Such whiners!

Beginning with the OP - whine this, whine that - woe is us - CCP is so against us!

TIme to lay face down - kick and scream.

"I got ganked again, NERF THEM!!" = whine
"I got nerfed again, GANK THEM!!" = not whine
Learn the difference.

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.

JusFooling Around
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2012-03-21 03:36:22 UTC
After a few years in a Goon corp, I know your silly games; so I don't need a new idiot trying to explain it to me.

Whining is whining - but somehow you think no one from null can ever whine, when all you do is whine.

You are useless and just don't know it yet
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#119 - 2012-03-21 05:51:30 UTC
Eh, I suppose its predictable that CCP would leap to the carebears' defense yet again. If simply warping out after a gank is considered an exploit, what's next? Multiple volleys aside, realistically, its a sound strategy to avoid having your 'blue' wreck looted by strangers - or your -10 alt podded - especially now that you are prohibited from ejecting and making a quick escape from the crime scene before the explosion.

But CCP will do what it does best, suck up to the whining carebear population at our expense.
I'll wait and see what happens, but it appears they have planted their flag long ago, and complaining about it is pointless.

But, no, I'm not going to quit. Lol

Instead, I'll take a page from Patton....
....I will simply refocus my efforts and resources into making OTHER people quit.
Its the only way. Hit CCP where it hurts: subscriptions.
How?

-No more expending energy targeting or reporting/petitioning obvious mining bots. While smashing and reporting them is entertaining (and for now, profitable) - they do FAR more damage to your typical miner's income than I ever could. They give no tears, they will not stop - they just autodock until the Russian RMT puppetmaster resets their macro. Let them breed and depress the income of the 'real' miners.

-Exclusively target the vulnerable. Not day old noobs, fool, they don't even OWN anything. Fresh young miners, 2-3 months old. Sitting in their first Exhumer that they toiled for days or weeks to buy. Read the bios, read the employment history. They are just as easy to identify as the botting fleets.

-Make it PERSONAL. Use a random scouting "ratting" alt, chat with them, find out a little about them. Ask questions about mining, "Wow, how long did it take to buy your Hulk? How much ISK u make?" While in mid conversation, proceed to the next step....

-Gank them, addressbook them, locate them, and gank them again. Again, personalize the conflict. Make them feel they have no way out. Keep them in your addressbook. You'll notice that many of them eventually become discouraged and quit the game. You'll know - when their smiling faces forever cease being lit up in your addressbook.

-Remember, the key is depth, not breadth.
Rather than ganking every miner in the belt ONCE, leave the bots and gank a lucky few repeatedly over a longer period of time. Spreading your efforts amonst hundreds of targets makes for an impressive killboard, but if you want to cost CCP subscriptions - you have to pick your targets and diligently insure that their Eve experience is one of loss and futility.

Seems the TEARS Alliance "repeat-customer" ganking board and associated bounty prizes will be undergoing some revision...soon.
Joyelle
SludgeSlingers
#120 - 2012-03-21 14:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Joyelle
I don't really know how to put all of this so that it sticks but all of the mechanisms/exploits CCP shafted didn't have much risk to it, if they had any at all.
Take for instance, the mechanism you guys used against incursion runners. It basically had a 100% success rate in highsec (I remember the forum posts stating how you guys had pretty much won eve) and then you go on complaining about no "fair fights". I'm sure you can clearly see the irony.
I also don't get why you'd complain about CCP's taking away ship insurance of suicided ships when you weren't ganking ships that wouldn't prossibly drop 5 times or more the value of your throw away ship.
I remember a couple of other exploits/lame mechanisms such as station games and the orca ship swapping technique that nearly had a 100% success rate. The instant joining of corps and immediately getting aggro was also another one of those funny/lame techniques that worked 99.9% in favour of the wardeccers because you could easily size up your targets and counter with a better attacking force all the time (iirc, that still works atm...I'm not too sure though). I do recall an incident that occured in jita, where this mechanism backfired and the corp lost a decent amount of vindis.
If you were really looking for "fair fights" you could have simply joined RvB or get it through your skulls that EvE is all about risk, but It's understandable, the amusement one derives by fooling someone with a mechanic they have no idea about... the tears harvested and rewards can be sort of gratifying. Pirate

Herr Wilkus wrote:

Instead, I'll take a page from Patton....
....I will simply refocus my efforts and resources into making OTHER people quit.
Its the only way. Hit CCP where it hurts: subscriptions.

Seems the TEARS Alliance "repeat-customer" ganking board and associated bounty prizes will be undergoing some revision...soon.

Good grief, this made me lol but it actually sounds like a good idea. I wonder what would happen if PL did this in reaction to the titan nerf but wait...they obviously won't go that far because it's what an "ass hole" would result to in other to get his point across.