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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#41 - 2012-03-15 18:54:26 UTC
They've never changed, just for some reason people believe the post Crucible ::werdz: more than ::werdz: from the past.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#42 - 2012-03-15 18:55:14 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:

3. Stealth 'nerf' to how bounties are paid out on belt rats. The bounties now only go to the person dealing the last blow. While this is largely a non-issue, it kills off teamwork in ratting security status up quickly. No one at CCP is able to give a consistent ruling on if this is a feature, a bug; nor if it even exists in-game at all. Despite the fact that it obviously is if you spend time to test it.



I read it's not only bounties but sec bonus as well. Big face-palm overall though.


I will gladly confirm that this is a defect and that a fix for it will be forthcoming shortly.


Really? Because in a previous thread, CCP Bettik made it sound like it was a deliberate change and that the information on it was left off the patch notes: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=931153#post931153

So is it a bug, or a patch?

Profit favors the prepared
Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-03-15 18:55:24 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Confirming that dissatisfaction with sloppy development and regressive implementations is the same as being incapable of adapting.


Really isnt.

Im all one for being dissatisfied with a product. There's things in eve which i dont much care for but they wont get changed even if i made a forum post with the caps lock on in alternating colours so i just make the best out of a bad situation.

Devs have already stated that some changes are permanent and there are some bugs that are having fixes implemented. Yet people still insist on coming on here and demanding vengance

I see a problem, look on forums to see if theres an answer (which there almost always is) then leave it at that. Then carry on playing the game and just working around or through the bugs until the fix is implemented
Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
#44 - 2012-03-15 19:04:50 UTC
CCP Cascade wrote:


The system resouces used by the Launcher shouldn't affect you when running the game as you have the option to make it close the game after starting. You also have the option to make it only show up when there is an update.


Just to be perfectly clear, Mac users do not have this option - possibly because we're still stuck with version 1.04. for God knows why because nobody at CCP is saying.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#45 - 2012-03-15 19:59:13 UTC
You know what helps fix these issues, insulting the intelligence of the devs.

Get over yourself, the devs are doing fine jobs, either learn to have realistic expectations, or go program your own game.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-03-15 20:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Lady Spank wrote:
The bounties now only go to the person dealing the last blow

Does this include the "security" bonus too? If so, awesome! I dont want my fleet ruining my -10 security by killing gate rats.

Arnt you like an elite player too? what are you doing ratting still?

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#47 - 2012-03-15 20:16:31 UTC
Hey lady spank didnt you close all 10 of your accounts like 2 weeks ago in another thread and yet here you are still posting and trolling and CCP keeps shooting you down.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#48 - 2012-03-15 20:45:33 UTC
Dear CCP Devs, I work in the customer support group of a major aircraft manufacturing company. I can tell you that, even if the customers I deal with pay much more money to fly the "real" machines they buy from us, they are much less difficult then the customers you often see whine on your forums. I think you are doing good and sincerely hope you keep the faith up.

By the way...please remove local everywhere in your next patch.
Sloppy Podfarts
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-03-15 21:05:09 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Go ahead and rage-quit spank, no one will miss you.


OWNAGE
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#50 - 2012-03-15 21:10:28 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Dear CCP Devs, I work in the customer support group of a major aircraft manufacturing company. I can tell you that, even if the customers I deal with pay much more money to fly the "real" machines they buy from us, they are much less difficult then the customers you often see whine on your forums. I think you are doing good and sincerely hope you keep the faith up.

By the way...please remove local everywhere in your next patch.

I was right there with you... until today. I'm really starting to think that the powers that be fundamentally have it wrong. I formerly assumed that if CCP Greyscale or Himlar or whoever didn't get it, that would be OK because they do want to see the playerbase grow and I thought they genuinely wanted to build the best game possible to achieve that. It seemed logical. I see the error of my thinking now. Developing a game that merely panders as widely as possible without integrity or vision in design or any principals about how to make a quality game experience does not achieve the goal of getting more players. I see now they should be developing the best game possible for the sake of building it. Once they do that, the people will come. Sadly, it looks like their primary focus is getting as many people to come as possible with some vague notion of filling in the game parts afterwards. I finally see what some of the rage'ers were on about... and I feel like an idiot for not seeing it sooner.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#51 - 2012-03-15 21:14:22 UTC
This is what happens when you run your organization under Agile, where everything that must be released is time-bounded, not quality-bounded.

Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#52 - 2012-03-15 21:16:18 UTC
Can't say i'm thrilled with the new launcher either.
Since you have to log off any other instances of Eve everytime they throw an update now....What?

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-03-15 21:24:56 UTC
Actually, I blame it on the skill que and mning. I mean if we all weren't sitting here staring at the forums while our skills train, or waiting on a hold to fill up with rock, or sitting in low sec waiting on a carebear to "finally" jump in system,,, Well, then we wouldn't be posting **** we'd be doing something fun like pew-pew.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-03-15 21:25:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
Evei Shard wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:

3. Stealth 'nerf' to how bounties are paid out on belt rats. The bounties now only go to the person dealing the last blow. While this is largely a non-issue, it kills off teamwork in ratting security status up quickly. No one at CCP is able to give a consistent ruling on if this is a feature, a bug; nor if it even exists in-game at all. Despite the fact that it obviously is if you spend time to test it.



I read it's not only bounties but sec bonus as well. Big face-palm overall though.


I will gladly confirm that this is a defect and that a fix for it will be forthcoming shortly.


Really? Because in a previous thread, CCP Bettik made it sound like it was a deliberate change and that the information on it was left off the patch notes: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=931153#post931153

So is it a bug, or a patch?


@Evei Shard.

The thread you link to with CCP Bettik's response is dealing with more varied spawns and stopping chaining NOT changing bounties to a last-hit payout system.

The question CCP Goliath has responded to relates simply to how bounties are being dished out, ie, it's moved to last hit and not spreading the love between all participants, which is a bug.

They're two seperate issues involving the same thing, rats, but nonetheless, seperate issues.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-03-15 21:27:50 UTC
Posting in 'Attack and whine at devs first, ask questions later thread.'

[URL="https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82348"]UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch[/URL]
Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-03-15 21:51:45 UTC
CCP Cascade wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:

1. Poorly coded launcher, CPU intensive for no good reason and slow at downloading patches. You don't want it? Tough.


I'm happy to say that there is a really good reason for it using your CPU as it is calculating what it needs to download. It should only really be slow the first time use it and after it should be as quick or even quicker than the old patching mechanics.

The system resouces used by the Launcher shouldn't affect you when running the game as you have the option to make it close the game after starting. You also have the option to make it only show up when there is an update.

More information regarding the settings and the Launcher in general can be read here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Launcher

We are sending out an update to the Launcher today to resolve some of the issues people have been experiencing and we apologize to those who have been having issues getting into the game the last few days because of the Launcher. We'll keep you posted on the progress!


Since the launcher the little like 5-10 mb fix patches take 4-5 times longer to process for me.

Welcome to Eve Online
Warzon3
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-03-15 23:49:47 UTC
so any other structures we can shoot?
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#58 - 2012-03-15 23:56:36 UTC
Warzon3 wrote:
so any other structures we can shoot?


Pick one of those: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbPqQ7Yz2s

They are so pretty and must be shot at. Big smile

Yay 10 years! :D
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-03-16 00:03:26 UTC
Spank you really are a whiny ****
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
#60 - 2012-03-16 01:15:14 UTC
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:
1.) launcher that is made from nothing and have few bugs... can you do it better???
2.) CCP said thats error and they will look at it when more important things are finished... you never make mistakes???
4.) Some ppl don't like changes, some like them... its more good things then bad.
5.) Ok... forums are screw up... but are much better then when they launched.


'cause QA and testing is for lamers!

C'mon don't fanboi. Or if you are then please give me the proper response for CCP changing Scourge missiles to Trauma missiles and now, amazingly enough, perhaps back to Scourge missiles.

Because Scourge missiles taste minty fresh! amiright? Big smile