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I just love how every1s solution to a percieved out of control inflation is NERF some1 else's fa
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2012-03-14 20:19:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
I just love how everyone's solution to percieved out of control inflation or some other injustice is NERF someone else's faucet or style of play.
The NERF bat is outa control. NERF THE INCURSIONS, NERF THE TECH MOONS, NERF THE BLUE LOOT, NERF THE TITANS!!! I wonder if you all realize you sound like a bunch of sniveling runts.
Instead of nerfs we need specific buffs else the game gets reduced to use all flying a bunch of rookie ships as the end game. NERFing is not just the lazy way to do things its the unfun way which fundamentally is rideculas ( its like after releaseing a Lamborgini to the market one week having the goverment magically put a regulator in the engine a year later to force it to not be able to exceed the speed limit )
Specific buffs can solve many of these problems but they are not as easy to do & can bring unintended consequences sure but still are a better route IMHO
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#2 - 2012-03-14 20:20:53 UTC
Not mine, my solution was catastrophe, massive random destruction.

You know, super novas, the kind of thing that can wipe massive wealth

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-03-14 20:21:17 UTC
How is nerfing titans supposed to solve inflation? That's what nerfing incursions is for, silly!

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#4 - 2012-03-14 20:22:30 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
How is nerfing titans supposed to solve inflation? That's what nerfing incursions is for, silly!


Just think of the ISK sink!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2012-03-14 20:22:35 UTC
That would be a reasonable conclusion if it weren't for nerfs being the most commonly useful solution to imbalances.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#6 - 2012-03-14 20:28:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
That would be a reasonable conclusion if it weren't for nerfs being the most commonly useful solution to imbalances.

It is a lazy slothfull way to balance inequaties eventhough its the most commonly used tool lately. And it always hurts one group over another in a fundamentally unfair way
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-03-14 20:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DarthNefarius wrote:
It is a lazy slothfull way to balance inequaties
It is also usually the most precise and accurate way of balancing things since the alternative (buffing everything else) has a tendency to just lead to power creep and even more balance issues.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-14 20:32:31 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
That would be a reasonable conclusion if it weren't for nerfs being the most commonly useful solution to imbalances.

It is a lazy slothfull way to balance inequaties eventhough its the most commonly used tool lately. And it always hurts one group over another in a fundamentally unfair way


But you're fine with the group exploiting the game in a fundamentally unfair way?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#9 - 2012-03-14 20:33:28 UTC
you don't belt rat in your titan???
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#10 - 2012-03-14 20:39:19 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
That would be a reasonable conclusion if it weren't for nerfs being the most commonly useful solution to imbalances.

It is a lazy slothfull way to balance inequaties eventhough its the most commonly used tool lately. And it always hurts one group over another in a fundamentally unfair way


But you're fine with the group exploiting the game in a fundamentally unfair way?

Nope I'm not fine with it i'd rather see a buff to the peeps being expoited then a nerf to the exploiters.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#11 - 2012-03-14 20:39:49 UTC
CCP takes inflation very seriously. That's why they are changing dronepoo into bounties because the Russian botters were pouring too many minerals into the market. Roll

Ok that doesn't make sense, but it's CCP we're talking about here.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-14 20:41:33 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
That would be a reasonable conclusion if it weren't for nerfs being the most commonly useful solution to imbalances.

It is a lazy slothfull way to balance inequaties eventhough its the most commonly used tool lately. And it always hurts one group over another in a fundamentally unfair way


But you're fine with the group exploiting the game in a fundamentally unfair way?

Nope I'm not fine with it i'd rather see a buff to the peeps being expoited then a nerf to the exploiters.


It's a good thing you don't work in game design.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#13 - 2012-03-14 20:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Ladie Harlot wrote:

It's a good thing you don't work in game design.


I applied to work in CCP game design but was told I have to join GoonSwarm first Lol
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2012-03-14 20:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
DarthNefarius wrote:
I just love how everyone's solution to percieved out of control inflation or some other injustice is NERF someone else's faucet or style of play.
The NERF bat is outa control. NERF THE INCURSIONS, NERF THE TECH MOONS, NERF THE BLUE LOOT, NERF THE TITANS!!! I wonder if you all realize you sound like a bunch of sniveling runts.
Instead of nerfs we need specific buffs else the game gets reduced to use all flying a bunch of rookie ships as the end game. NERFing is not just the lazy way to do things its the unfun way which fundamentally is rideculas ( its like after releaseing a Lamborgini to the market one week having the goverment magically put a regulator in the engine a year later to force it to not be able to exceed the speed limit )
Specific buffs can solve many of these problems but they are not as easy to do & can bring unintended consequences sure but still are a better route IMHO


I'm very curious what kind of buff you have in mind to solve the problem in question. Oh I got it - maybe we can fix the Risk vs Isk ratio of high sec incursions by buffing 0.0 anom running.... oh wait that makes the problem worse. Basically: the economy is out of balance and someone is going to feel it when its brought back into balance - no matter how it gets fixed.

-Liang

Ed: Regarding the discussion with Tippia: buffing everything else would simply mean that certain activities would be relatively nerfed. Like I said - someone's gonna feel it no matter how it happens.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#15 - 2012-03-14 21:07:58 UTC
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

Faucets aren't the problem. Distribution is, always has been.

The great thing about Incursions is, you get a chat window launch when you enter one. After Patch 1.5 the Incursions all reset and I happened to be in an Incursion system at the time. The Incursion chat window never went over 85. So "everybody" isn't doing incursions.

I'd speculate that there are around 1200 people in this game that could quit for 6 months and grind the entire economy to a halt.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-03-14 21:10:56 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Faucets aren't the problem. Distribution is, always has been.
No, faucets are indeed the problem when it comes to an oversupply of ISK.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-03-14 21:21:23 UTC
Eve never supposed to be about income equality !!!! only about risk reward mechanism.
Anastasia Shimaya
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-03-14 21:21:39 UTC
OP's iWIN buttons are being taken away :(
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#19 - 2012-03-14 21:23:19 UTC
Question, if nerfing stuff (or buffing everything else) isn't how to fix OP stuff, WTF is?

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-03-14 21:25:00 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

It's a good thing you don't work in game design.


I applied to work in CCP game design but was told I have to join GoonSwarm first Lol


Contact me in-game. I can help out with your application.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
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