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I'm Really Not Sure This Is The Game For Me Anymore.
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-03-19 00:20:39 UTC
Nikola Aivoras wrote:
Well, Estrelita, I'm really not sure what to say.

[..]

On the other hand, it seems like you're making a big deal out of one incident. EVE is, by nature, a PvP game. Everything that happens, in some way, affects the populace. It is also a sandbox. You should have known this when you first started. Also, it is an MMO. This means the interactions of people is crucial for the game. Be it building or knocking down sand castles, it is all important.

Did you not understand this about EVE?

I understand the sentiment of not wanting to be involved in PvP. However, it will be impossible to play this game with that attitude. Eventually, you will be forced to PvP. If you want something in EVE, you have to fight for it. There will be suicide gankers. There will be can flippers. There will be ninja looters and salvagers. These are all to be expected in the sandbox that is EVE.

There really are only a few solutions available. For one, you can quit. EVE is not for everyone. Everyone here understands this. Another option is to adapt and evolve. This is what people usually do, and what I suggest you do.

It is perfectly fine for you to want to avoid PvP. The real issue is if you are against risk. There is no way to have a truly risk-free environment in EVE. The game is designed to avoid that. Whether the risk comes from powerful NPCs or a belligerent alliance, there will be risk. Your job is to determine how much risk you are willing to take.

If you choose to take risks, you will open yourself up to great losses. However, the benefits greatly outweigh the risk. This goes for all things, including ice mining. There is a great risk associated with it currently. As a result, the rewards will be greater.

This is the decision you need to make: Are you willing to take risks? If you are, then EVE really is the game for you. If not, then this is no place for you.


Once again, no problem about you not reading the whole thread. It is getting kind of long. But there's a reason.

As I said. I've lost a lot of ships. As I said, I'm not sure why this one bothered me so much, or why the loss of the Drake and Hound bother me so much. But they do.

No. I didn't have any idea that this was what Eve was about when I started playing. I thought it was an MMORPG, but also a full immersion space explorationg game, and I had no difficulty maintaining that illusion until Incarna, at least.

The rest of your post seems to be about whether or not I am willing to take risks in the game.

How would I have a character who has lost 48 ships in less than 3 years if I didn't take risks?

But when I started playing, going out of a station in Hi Sec wasn't nearly as much of a risk as it is now.

I'm not happy with that.

As far as this being a PvP centric game? Even after the last two incidents, I still feel that it isn't.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#122 - 2012-03-19 00:25:22 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
This is a textbook case of a reasonably succesful troll being milked to death. You had a good run with the overwhelmingly serious replies, hell you even got some pity in there which is hard to do, but then you came back and quad-posted your way into obviously trying too hard.

Would have been more than willing to give you 7/10, but after the give-away posts you're down to 2/10.

Better luck next time.


Sorry. Not interested in my scores.

If I'm not mistaken, every post is a troll. An effort to get a response.

But, even so, they represent a way to communicate concerns to other forum users.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#123 - 2012-03-19 00:28:41 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.


I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-03-19 00:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Estrelita Nobunaga
masternerdguy wrote:


I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online.


Why can't you just look for other sociopaths and leave the rest of us to enjoy the game in our own way?


Edit: Is it that you will not be comfortable unless ALL of the other players are also sociopaths?

Why would that be?

Can you not accept the concepts of morality and ethics?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#125 - 2012-03-19 00:39:20 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:


I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online.


Why can't you just look for other sociopaths and leave the rest of us to enjoy the game in our own way?


We aren't sociopaths. We are playing the game the way it was, CCP stated, intended to be played. How would you like it if someone told you all of space was going to become 0.0 so you "antisocial cowards" would fight for a change? That's how we feel about hi sec becoming a safe zone.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#126 - 2012-03-19 00:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Estrelita Nobunaga
I have NEVER seen anything in any CCP advertisement about involuntary PvP.

And I've been to 0.0. Spent a year there. Where were you?
Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-03-19 00:49:23 UTC
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Stop playing the victim card.


This seriously.
Think about it. When you got sick of mining in a cruiser what did you do? Trained for a barge. When you got sick of docking to offload what did you do? Trained an alt to haul.
You got ganked in a belt probably because you warped to 0 and just went to work.
Now you know to run a ways up the belt and use D-scan to keep aware.
Now your next evolution should be to train an alt & go gank ice miners.
Kill your competition..why not. It's the next logical step.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#128 - 2012-03-19 00:49:54 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
I have NEVER seen anything in any CCP advertisement about involuntary PvP.

And I've been to 0.0. Spent a year there. Where were you?


I've been to 0.0 many times don't worry.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#129 - 2012-03-19 00:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Estrelita Nobunaga
Proteus Maximus wrote:

You got ganked in a belt probably because you warped to 0 and just went to work.

Now you know to run a ways up the belt and use D-scan to keep aware.
Now your next evolution should be to train an alt & go gank ice miners.
Kill your competition..why not. It's the next logical step.


Nope. Bookmarked a rock at 85 km from Warp 0. Like I said, He sent a Helios first to bookmark me.

Once again. D-scan for what? You're either there to D-scan or mine. Not both.


Kill the competition? Sorry, but that would be both immoral and unethical. And I wouldn't enjoy it at all.

I play the game for enjoyment, entertainment, and will not compromise my morals or ethics in search of those.

This is a game, not electro-shock therapy.
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-03-19 01:13:19 UTC
It's time to stop now Estrella. Go find another game to play. Maybe Star Trek Online if you want yet another suggestionr. But at this point it is more than clear that EVE is not the place for you and never will be.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#131 - 2012-03-19 01:22:58 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
It's time to stop now Estrella. Go find another game to play. Maybe Star Trek Online if you want yet another suggestionr. But at this point it is more than clear that EVE is not the place for you and never will be.


What other game? The others aren't even worth a second look.

So, the way I see it, I'm being driven out of this game, which I like, because I'm not a sociopath?

Wouldn't that bother you?
Terajima Kazumi
Perkone
Caldari State
#132 - 2012-03-19 01:25:03 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:


I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online.


Why can't you just look for other sociopaths and leave the rest of us to enjoy the game in our own way?


Edit: Is it that you will not be comfortable unless ALL of the other players are also sociopaths?

Why would that be?

Can you not accept the concepts of morality and ethics?

Other 'sociopaths' would never make a thread like this; that's why they look for you, and not each other.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-03-19 02:02:19 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type


There are parts of playing chess I enjoy. Thinking is not one of them. Please advise.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-03-19 03:30:32 UTC
The decision is in.

With the experience I have, I could have helped a lot of people. I'm not sure how, or how much, but to what end?

The game, as it is , suks.

It's been proven that I can have no positive effect.

I think it would be best if I had no effect at all.
Daemeon Fyral
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2012-03-19 04:01:33 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Daemeon Fyral wrote:
so your saying that in 3 years, with 4 accounts... you never learned how to use local and d-scan? y'know, your right, this probably aint the game for you. can I have your stuff? in particular that orca, my alt just finished training to fly one.


I know. TL:DR.

Local shows you things based on overview settings. The person I lost the Mackinaw to, had 2.1 Concord status. He showed up in the belt first in a Helios, and left within a few seconds. Seconds that he used to bookmark my location. When he reappeared in the Catalyst, he started firing immediately. Maybe I should have seen the Helios as a bad sign, but I've seen a lot of them, and it's hard to mine ice when you spend every other minute in station.

Dscan? For what? There are usually a number of ships in an ice belt at one time. Some of them are protection for other ice miners, some are miners, some are haulers. What am I supposed to do? Park in front of the ice, run up Dscan, and leave the belt whenever I see an unknown ship? Why use a mining ship for that? I could do it in a rookie ship, even in an ice belt, and I would get about the same amount of ice mined. None.

My stuff is not available to you under any circumstances. Or to any one else who intends to get a boost in the game from someone else's misfortune. I have three Orcas, but the price for you would be about 1.5 Billion each.


Yes, if you want to be safe that is EXACTLY what your supposed to do, keep yourself aligned and ready to warp out, see something suspicious on d-scan you warp out. Best case scenario you might have just saved your ship, worst case scenario you where jumpy and lost... what... a few thousand ISK by stopping mining for a minute or two while you figure out whats going on... hell of a lot cheaper than loosing your ship and your cargo.

Is it paranoid, yes, but in new eden paranoia keeps you alive. If your not being paranoid and keeping an eye on who's coming in and out of the belt and in what then you deserve everything that you get.

Also, I'm not looking to profit from your misfortune. if I intended to do that i'd be asking what system you mine in build some mackinaws put em up for sale there and then blow up your ship myself. THAT would be profiting from your misfortune.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-03-19 04:02:05 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
The decision is in.

With the experience I have, I could have helped a lot of people. I'm not sure how, or how much, but to what end?

The game, as it is , suks.

It's been proven that I can have no positive effect.

I think it would be best if I had no effect at all.


Working as intended or not, i think there is a serious problem when someone is forced to make a decision: to play in a game you don't like, or leave.

IMO there should be an area set aside to provide a relaxing gaming experience with minimal risk

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Daemeon Fyral
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2012-03-19 04:06:44 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
The decision is in.

With the experience I have, I could have helped a lot of people. I'm not sure how, or how much, but to what end?

The game, as it is , suks.

It's been proven that I can have no positive effect.

I think it would be best if I had no effect at all.


Working as intended or not, i think there is a serious problem when someone is forced to make a decision: to play in a game you don't like, or leave.

IMO there should be an area set aside to provide a relaxing gaming experience with minimal risk


There is, its called Null-sec.