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I'm Really Not Sure This Is The Game For Me Anymore.
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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#101 - 2012-03-15 11:08:13 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:



Tau. STFU. You have long outlived any usefulness you think you my have had.

I used to follow the 'Word of Tau' like the Bible.

I learned better.


Apparently "learning better" is ignoring any advice he may have given, dying as a result, and then quitting over it.

But yeah, it's "better" in the sense the average IQ of players on TQ will go up when you quit.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Marcus Harikari
#102 - 2012-03-15 11:14:51 UTC
Real talk: if a computer game is frustrating you, it's probably a good sign that you should quit playing.
Boogie Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-03-15 11:18:52 UTC
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don't ******* sit there like an entitled dipshit and complain that there should be a way of you defending yourself



Every High sec pubbie in space should take heed these words.

EVE is risk vs. reward. In no circumstance should there be a 100% safe way for you to do anything. Period.


CptBen: this was the rare nice CptBen, ill probably be back later and boogie will agravate me and ill call you all scrubs
Annie McDermot
Doomheim
#104 - 2012-03-15 11:24:32 UTC
Quick, someone call the OP a Waaaaaambulance Shocked
Jazzmyn
Dawn's LightP
#105 - 2012-03-15 11:37:37 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

If you actually sit down and play the game, your risk is actually quite low. It's going AFK that kills you. Never, ever, ever, should CCP ever introduce something that benefits people who are not actually playing the ******* game.

Jesus christ. Play the game, or don't. But don't ******* sit there like an entitled dipshit and complain that there should be a way of you defending yourself when you have decided to leave your 200mil asset in space and go do something else.


It just happens, most people like to be semi-AFK when they mine and probably any defences that would require pressing buttons wouldn’t work besides adding more EHP.

U know, there are already ton of game mechanics in place that benefit people that are AFK, like warfare/mining link bonuses, drones, F.O.F missiles or POS guns or even Concord.

I suppose AFK mining is one way people like to play their game and realy it's not your call to tell them how people should play their game. My concern is, there is something broken in the game if in highsec u are able to kill 200mil+ mining ship with 2 million ISK destroyer.

Fight ! Fight ! Never surrender, never surrender !
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-03-15 11:39:16 UTC
Well OP, somehow, I think you should try Core Exiles. I’ve never played it but your post sounds like what one of the designers was gunning for here, akin to EVE without the PVP, in a very general way. There are other games worth looking into out there as well. I honestly do not think you will ever love this game as much as the idea of what it provides and will be stuck with a hollow dream if you stick around. The game is what it is and that’s not changing. Everything in EVE is designed to engender PVP with the strong preying on the weak in an opportunistic way and that's not just the players fault. It's the nature of the game CCP made.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#107 - 2012-03-15 14:08:00 UTC
Jazzmyn wrote:
It just happens, most people like to be semi-AFK when they mine


You don't think that says something about mining when it is more enjoyable to go do something else? Exactly WHY are you playing the game, again?

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My concern is, there is something broken in the game if in highsec u are able to kill 200mil+ mining ship with 2 million ISK destroyer


A properly tanked Hulk would need at least TEN people in Thrashers to alpha the ship. If you're resisting applied DPS (catalysts) then you can get remote reps. Regardless, you're flawed in thinking the cost of a specialty mining vessel should bear any relation on it's combat ability. Counterpoint: why does a 60bil ISK Avatar get outmined by a 200mil ISK Hulk?

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there are already ton of game mechanics in place that benefit people that are AFK


No, there are not. There are long list of things that simply keep on happening if you walk away. Such as mining. None of the things you mentioned will take any action to save or cause the loss of your ship. None of these things is better than actually playing the game in terms of reward.

You can fit your ship with shield boosters or hardeners and they will keep running when you are AFK. You can remote rep yourself and this keeps happening if you are AFK.

Finally - a ship that auto aggresses the attacker is literally what 100% of all highsec can flippers would happily want in the game, so maybe I shouldn't argue against it?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#108 - 2012-03-15 14:23:20 UTC
Jazzmyn wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

If you actually sit down and play the game, your risk is actually quite low. It's going AFK that kills you. Never, ever, ever, should CCP ever introduce something that benefits people who are not actually playing the ******* game.

Jesus christ. Play the game, or don't. But don't ******* sit there like an entitled dipshit and complain that there should be a way of you defending yourself when you have decided to leave your 200mil asset in space and go do something else.


It just happens, most people like to be semi-AFK when they mine and probably any defences that would require pressing buttons wouldn’t work besides adding more EHP.

U know, there are already ton of game mechanics in place that benefit people that are AFK, like warfare/mining link bonuses, drones, F.O.F missiles or POS guns or even Concord.

I suppose AFK mining is one way people like to play their game and realy it's not your call to tell them how people should play their game. My concern is, there is something broken in the game if in highsec u are able to kill 200mil+ mining ship with 2 million ISK destroyer.



While it is true that some activities can somewhat be undertaken semi-AFK, the trick is to make an intelligent decision as to which activities this applies to realistically.

Ice mining solo, in high sec, is not one of those activities.

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Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-03-18 22:22:37 UTC
The saga continues, but first I'd like to say that there are VERY few things I do in this game AFK. Maybe 33 jumps in a rookie ship if the pilot has no implants, but that is about it.

So today two of my characters were running a Hi Sec Level 4 mining mission. Only something like 2.6 million ISK, but still, it's what I do.

So along comes a ninja salvager in an Arbitrator. I had a Covetor and a Drake.

Yes, I screwed up, because the Drake should have dropped the can. It wouldn't have made a difference,but let's not be a victim, eh?

So I took on a ninja salvage fitted Arbitrator with a mining mission fitted Drake . . . and lost the Drake, and the ore.

I believe in mission fits. The Drake was equipped with 5 X Acolyte IIs, 2 X Heavy Launchers and 4 X Standard Launchers. (Another mistake. They should have been assault launchers.

I have to say that I did have him down to 20% armor, or less, before his neut completely drained my cap.

But I also have to say I wasted a Hound on his useless ass.

So he gets two kills and I get another 'lesson in life'. Not exactly what I was looking for.

My Drake pilot is kind of interesting. 4 kills and, now, 48 losses. Pretty grim, eh?

Not really. She has credit for destroying about 3 times the amount of ISK she has lost. Only 20 of the ships she has lost could be considered combat ships, meaning several of them were rookie ships. Most of the rest were industrials lost in 0.0, or pods.

The part that I like though, is that she has done very little damage to other ships. Preferred weapons are Target Painters and Jammers. And she has never attacked anything that wasn't red.

So the question remains. Is this worth wasting any more time on, or not?
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#110 - 2012-03-18 22:29:56 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:

I'm Really Not Sure This Is The Game For Me Anymore
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There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them


apparently it never WAS for you...

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2012-03-18 22:31:13 UTC
Why are you continuing to engage in the same behaviors that are getting you killed over and over again?

The game doesn't need to change. You do.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#112 - 2012-03-18 22:33:32 UTC
if you don't ever want to pvp, i'd say just quit eve. it's really a pvp-centric game. if you're interested in getting better at pvp, have you considered joining red vs. blue? either way you decide, good luck. Smile

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Daemeon Fyral
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-03-18 22:50:25 UTC
so... let me get this straight... 3 years of playing and you JUST got a mackinaw? 3 years of playing and even loosing a mackinaw is a big deal to you? what the hell have you been doing in that time? I was a dedicated miner for a good 3 years sticking exclusively to high-sec so i'm completely failing to understand how at the end of all that time the loss of a single ship could make you want to quit the game... it happens, harden the **** up and never fly anything you can't afford to replace.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2012-03-18 22:52:24 UTC
Daemeon Fyral wrote:
so... let me get this straight... 3 years of playing and you JUST got a mackinaw?


Yeah this puzzled me too. a 3 year old toon, JUST now breaking into mining? That means you havent been mining for the past 3 years and you should have learned by now, mining is a pretty lousy way to have fun OR make isk

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-03-18 23:08:03 UTC
I can't blame you for not reading the previous posts. TL:DR.

I have 4 accounts, 12 characters.

Most of them are miners. Estrelita was intended for something else. Maybe R&D. I don' t remember.

One is a master miner/refiner. She can use all T2 crystals, Hi Sec and Low. She can refine anything that exists in the game at 100% efficiency, depending on where she refines it. This includes Ice and Scrap Metal. She has 19 million skill points. The other two on that account have a total of 19.5 million.

On Estrelita's account, there is also a perfect Orca pilot, now also qualified for basic Rorqual, and a nearly perfect Anshar pilot. Those two have about 30 million SPs. Estrelita has 7 million.

As I said, I didn't intend for her to become a miner. But she was definitely not intended to be a PvPer, or even a PvEer. She has positive or neutral standings with ALL factions. As do several of my others.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-03-18 23:39:23 UTC
By the way, I can't help saying something about mining being a lousy source of ISK.

My miner and Orca pilot, with another Orca for hauling, can make about 7 million ISK per hour mining Veldspar concentrates.

(If you say you can do better, either you are a liar, or you are using more than one mining ship.)

There have been times when they have made a lot more, especially mining ice.

My Level 4 mining teams, with Mammoth, Drake and Covetor, can make about 2.6 million per hour.

Seems odd, doesn't it?

I don't run Level 4 security missions because I don't have enough support. In combat situations I only use one character at a time, because I am not capable of handling more effectively.

As I said, my last mining trip to 0.0 nearly wiped out all my ISK, so that is out of the question right now.

One of the things that handicaps me is that I have learned that it is stupid to trust any player of this game. Even myself.

Because I know that, if I get mad enough, I will keep on throwing away ships until I have none left.
Daemeon Fyral
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-03-18 23:49:11 UTC
so your saying that in 3 years, with 4 accounts... you never learned how to use local and d-scan? y'know, your right, this probably aint the game for you. can I have your stuff? in particular that orca, my alt just finished training to fly one.
Nikola Aivoras
Mercantilist Corporation of New Eden
#118 - 2012-03-18 23:58:52 UTC
Well, Estrelita, I'm really not sure what to say.

On one hand, it seems like you have a good point. There is a section of the EVE populace which appears to be hell-bent on ruining everyone else's day. They tend to be slightly psychopathic, and get their jollies from tears and whining.

On the other hand, it seems like you're making a big deal out of one incident. EVE is, by nature, a PvP game. Everything that happens, in some way, affects the populace. It is also a sandbox. You should have known this when you first started. Also, it is an MMO. This means the interactions of people is crucial for the game. Be it building or knocking down sand castles, it is all important.

Did you not understand this about EVE?

I understand the sentiment of not wanting to be involved in PvP. However, it will be impossible to play this game with that attitude. Eventually, you will be forced to PvP. If you want something in EVE, you have to fight for it. There will be suicide gankers. There will be can flippers. There will be ninja looters and salvagers. These are all to be expected in the sandbox that is EVE.

There really are only a few solutions available. For one, you can quit. EVE is not for everyone. Everyone here understands this. Another option is to adapt and evolve. This is what people usually do, and what I suggest you do.

It is perfectly fine for you to want to avoid PvP. The real issue is if you are against risk. There is no way to have a truly risk-free environment in EVE. The game is designed to avoid that. Whether the risk comes from powerful NPCs or a belligerent alliance, there will be risk. Your job is to determine how much risk you are willing to take.

If you choose to take risks, you will open yourself up to great losses. However, the benefits greatly outweigh the risk. This goes for all things, including ice mining. There is a great risk associated with it currently. As a result, the rewards will be greater.

This is the decision you need to make: Are you willing to take risks? If you are, then EVE really is the game for you. If not, then this is no place for you.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-03-19 00:06:28 UTC
Daemeon Fyral wrote:
so your saying that in 3 years, with 4 accounts... you never learned how to use local and d-scan? y'know, your right, this probably aint the game for you. can I have your stuff? in particular that orca, my alt just finished training to fly one.


I know. TL:DR.

Local shows you things based on overview settings. The person I lost the Mackinaw to, had 2.1 Concord status. He showed up in the belt first in a Helios, and left within a few seconds. Seconds that he used to bookmark my location. When he reappeared in the Catalyst, he started firing immediately. Maybe I should have seen the Helios as a bad sign, but I've seen a lot of them, and it's hard to mine ice when you spend every other minute in station.

Dscan? For what? There are usually a number of ships in an ice belt at one time. Some of them are protection for other ice miners, some are miners, some are haulers. What am I supposed to do? Park in front of the ice, run up Dscan, and leave the belt whenever I see an unknown ship? Why use a mining ship for that? I could do it in a rookie ship, even in an ice belt, and I would get about the same amount of ice mined. None.

My stuff is not available to you under any circumstances. Or to any one else who intends to get a boost in the game from someone else's misfortune. I have three Orcas, but the price for you would be about 1.5 Billion each.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#120 - 2012-03-19 00:12:13 UTC
This is a textbook case of a reasonably succesful troll being milked to death. You had a good run with the overwhelmingly serious replies, hell you even got some pity in there which is hard to do, but then you came back and quad-posted your way into obviously trying too hard.

Would have been more than willing to give you 7/10, but after the give-away posts you're down to 2/10.

Better luck next time.