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I'm Really Not Sure This Is The Game For Me Anymore.
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gfldex
#61 - 2012-03-14 17:31:05 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
I have to say that I'm surprised at the responses I received so far. I don't remember seeing 'Moar tears' even once.

(...)

I've spent a year in 0.0, mining, and my impressions are that the corps and alliances that hire you usually end up stealing more from you than you lose on ships. Maybe it's just bad luck, but I've been down there with more than 10 different corps. Everyone of them sucked. My last trip out nearly broke me. It cost more to get my gear out than I made there.

(...)

'Stop being a victim', to me, means stop playing the part of the game I enjoy, and start playing a part that I don't like at all. I would quit playing before I did that.

But what are the game alternatives? I haven't found anything close to Eve.

I've posted before, with other characters, that what I was looking for, when I started playing Eve, was a full immersion simulation of civilization spreading out through a new area of space. We seem to be getting farther away from that.

(...)

System population when I went out to the belt was 4.

I don't AFK mine.

Total time in the belt was less than 4 minutes.


If HTFU posts are new to you, you didn't spend much time on this very forum. We have a i-got-ganked-ppl-are-bad-in-RL-thread at least once per week.

That you are unable to join a proper corp is to no surprise. Proper corps will require you to have killboard stats that show you are able to fight for what you own and that you lose ships with reasonable fittings. A corp that hires exclusively carebears will get stomped sooner or later. This game is won by industry _and_ guns.

There are no alternatives to EVE for you because pure carebear games provide little reason to actions of players. Do you realize that all those mins you gather go into ships that are then subsequently destroyed? Without that consumption your production would be meaningless and as a result won't earn you any money. You, as a miner, literally live of those gankers you insist to insult. And yes, calling somebody a bad person IRL because he destroyed your ship in a PvP game is an insult.

You seam to believe that only those PvPers should lose ships. Why? What makes a miner so special that he is entitled to not lose a ship?

You where not ganked before because it happens much less often then plenty of ppl want to make the public believe. I know because I live of miners. I'm the person that is buying your mins and turn them into a profit. Yet, I have any reason to gank you because dropping mineral prices can turn my profit into a loss.

Do you see the irony in your whining? By insisting to be safe you hurt yourself because your safety can only mean that mineral prices drop.

Are you playing the wrong game? I believe so. You even fail to understand what you live off. Bad players are driven out of the game. There are games that don't do that. Go play those but for all what is holy leave the only good game in the market as it is.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#62 - 2012-03-14 17:33:41 UTC
Sounds like you just got unlucky. Like I said I dont ice mine anymore because its riskier and macks are squishier. Ore mining is usually more profitable anyway.

Why do you run an itty and an orca btw? Also theres really no reason to have an alt in a combat ship there unless its for rats. If someone wants to gank you you cant really stop them you can just hope they die before you. One strategy you could use is to use a noob alt to shoot one of your ships to spawn concord in belt with you. It gets a little harder for them to gank you and if you see concord disappear that means they ganked somewhere else or purposely did something to get concord out of your belt so they could gank you.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#63 - 2012-03-14 17:38:24 UTC
It's funny how some people love to harp on miners because they like to mine. Do you really think ganking miners would be as cheap for you gankers as it is without miners? Seriously though, there is no wrong way to play EVE. If you think you're better than someone else just because of your play style, you're not. As many gankers say... Eve is a sandbox. Exactly.
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-03-14 17:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessiaan
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets.


Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker...

Very smart you are, sir. Very smart. Roll


Worked for me - I started EvE as a hardcore minerbear. About the time I got Exhumers V I decided I'd had enough of people ******* with me all the time and I've been shooting people ever since.

ofc if Zyd goes as high as people are saying it will I might actually undock my Hulk again for the first time in years. But it'll be in null where I have good regional intel and don't have to wait for someone to shoot me before the space police decide to let me fight back.

Right now suiciding miners is popular because:

1) It can be done solo in 0.6 and 0.5, which is where all the ice belts are.
2) There's no way to tank a Mack to survive a Catalyst gank
3) Said ganks turn a small profit due to the buff on salvaging of player wrecks (average for me is about 1 intact armor plate per wreck)
4) If you don't care about your sec. status and have an alt that can fly an Orca, there's really nothing to stop you from ganking until you get bored of it.

The removal of insurance was supposed to make suicide ganking less profitable, but with the introduction of Tier 3 battlecruisers and the huge buff the Catalyst got (all the destroyers were buffed, but the catalyst was buffed twice via the buff to blasters as well as the general destroyer buff) the cost of suiciding in Empire has actually come down.

KB Link
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#65 - 2012-03-14 17:47:06 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
It's funny how some people love to harp on miners because they like to mine. Do you really think ganking miners would be as cheap for you gankers as it is without miners? Seriously though, there is no wrong way to play EVE. If you think you're better than someone else just because of your play style, you're not. As many gankers say... Eve is a sandbox. Exactly.


Personally I would never claim one play style to be inherently superior to another.

However I do understand a certain amount of derision directed at people who, because they choose not to actively engage in combat, feel they should be able to safely ignore it completely.

When in dangerous waters, even the captain of a freighter needs to know how to spot imminent danger and how to avoid it... and in EVE all waters are dangerous to varying degree's.

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Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-03-14 17:51:17 UTC
This game isnt for you

go away

i think you want sims

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-03-14 17:58:47 UTC
OP should thank the ganker for freeing her from the shackles of ice mining. I can't think of a dumber way to make money.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Taihbea
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-03-14 18:16:40 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Seb Seba wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession?
Mining? Seriously? X


It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one.
I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.



That would be you boy, as you can't even get the distinction between the adjective 'looser' and the noun 'loser'.


So now the ability to speak English is the definition of loser/awesomnez?

Jeez people are stupid.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-03-14 20:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Estrelita Nobunaga
Ranger 1 wrote:


If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.

While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.

Carry on.


I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.


Edit: Oops, left out a few things.

The fact that you can't tell the difference between your fantasies and my reality doesn't say much about you.

No troll. Just facts. You could have checked.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#70 - 2012-03-14 20:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.

While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.

Carry on.


I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.


Computers have little to do with it.

Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#71 - 2012-03-14 20:36:53 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.

While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.

Carry on.


I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.


Edit: Oops, left out a few things.

The fact that you can't tell the difference between your fantasies and my reality doesn't say much about you.

No troll. Just facts. You could have checked.


the jita park soap box is that way =======>
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-03-14 20:38:04 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.


RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-03-14 20:43:32 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:


I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.


I am a spaceship pilot in real life.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#74 - 2012-03-14 20:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.


RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live.


A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game.

You're not very good at this.

Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality.

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Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-03-14 22:24:53 UTC
gfldex. wrote:


gfldex, sorry, but I saw you once in rookie ship. That's about what I expected.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-03-14 22:30:30 UTC
[quote=Ladie Harlot
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You need to do better. You are already in my junk filter.
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#77 - 2012-03-14 22:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Estrelita Nobunaga
Ranger 1 wrote:
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.


RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live.


A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game.

You're not very good at this.

Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality.


(Bet you've never even seen a real Ranger) This interests me. I quoted all, so I can answer in driblets.

Role Playing Game: A game that may allow people to 'get outside of themselves'. Allow them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Therapeutic? No. Increases the risk of bizarre or unaccepted behavior? Yes.

Is that what the world wants? More nutcases? I'm not sure you know, but we're in trouble here.

Check gasoline prices. Check heating fuel prices. Check food prices.

Edit: You can kill me with your brain? My estimate is that it would have to fall about 200,000 km and make a direct hit. Of course, figures are based on common bird ****.

Then Pac-Man on, just like you have been doing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#78 - 2012-03-14 22:58:12 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.


RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live.


A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game.

You're not very good at this.

Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality.


(Bet you've never even seen a real Ranger) This interests me. I quoted all, so I can answer in driblets.

Role Playing Game: A game that may allow people to 'get outside of themselves'. Allow them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Therapeutic? No. Increases the risk of bizarre or unaccepted behavior? Yes.

Is that what the world wants? More nutcases? I'm not sure you know, but we're in trouble here.

Check gasoline prices. Check heating fuel prices. Check food prices.

Edit: You can kill me with your brain? My estimate is that it would have to fall about 200,000 km and make a direct hit. Of course, figures are based on common bird ****.

Then Pac-Man on, just like you have been doing.


... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed. Blink

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Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-03-14 23:01:36 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed. Blink


Thank you for the one positive thing you have done to this thread.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#80 - 2012-03-14 23:04:05 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed. Blink


Thank you for the one positive thing you have done to this thread.


what did you ever do for this train wreck of a thread?

anyhow, I thought you were quitting, you're not doing a very good job of it if you are.