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I'm Really Not Sure This Is The Game For Me Anymore.

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Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2012-03-14 15:40:03 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets.


Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker...

Very smart you are, sir. Very smart. Roll


Nova is talking about the player, not the character.

There's no magic "PVP" skillbook that you train your character with to become a "PvPer". What happens is that one day you literally stop thinking like a victim and start thinking like a fighter. You learn situational awareness, preparedness, fitting for purpose, and accept that no one wins every time and losing the occasional ship is simply a cost of doing business.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#42 - 2012-03-14 15:51:46 UTC
Quote:
So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me




This is why the idea of "transferable kill rights" is popular. It would bring good PVP to all those suicide gankers who talk up how great PVP is and how the game is all about that and anybody who can't handle it should to back to WOW.

(funny though the gankers are always silent on the idea).



Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Calliste Orange
House Orange
#43 - 2012-03-14 16:00:04 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Calliste Orange wrote:
Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.




You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years?

How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense?


*blank stare*

About 3 years. If prescribed valium, that's equivalent to a whole month.

What was it you asked, again?
Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#44 - 2012-03-14 16:06:09 UTC
I started off my eve career as a miner and I still do it along side my other ventures into null and stuff to supply myself and other with ships caps etc. I have been ganked 2 or 3 times.

I dont ice mine anymore as its become more of a target especially since mackinaws are squishier than hulks. Key is to find a quiet system thats usually has less people in local and keep an eye on local and dscan. Also helps if theres no station or if there an ice belt as gankers tend to go after ice miners more atm. Just the other day I had a nice 5-6 hour mining session with my mates at the end of which i saw 3 thrashers enter local. Pretty good time to quit so I did. Better safe than sorry. Also helps to join or make friends with local mining corporations as they will have intel on which charatcers/corps are known fro suiicide ganking allowing you to set their standings and notice them faster.

This game is about interacting with others not afk mining for hours on end then getting butthurt when you walk back you your screen and see a pod floating in space.

Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#45 - 2012-03-14 16:10:42 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.


They'd lose key parts of their dev team and their head of security, so yes, it is quite a bind for CCP.

Profit favors the prepared

Valei Khurelem
#46 - 2012-03-14 16:13:02 UTC
Quote:
CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.


If this game wasn't about ganking in the first place and actually required some form of player interaction rather than just botting accounts then people wouldn't be raging so much in the first place.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-03-14 16:14:04 UTC
Calliste Orange wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Calliste Orange wrote:
Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.




You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years?

How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense?


*blank stare*

About 3 years. If prescribed valium, that's equivalent to a whole month.

What was it you asked, again?



One month actual time out of 3 years? You lightweight!
Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-03-14 16:19:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Estrelita Nobunaga
I have to say that I'm surprised at the responses I received so far. I don't remember seeing 'Moar tears' even once.

Yes, I made a lot of mistakes on this operation, but, believe it or not, some of them were related to the newer game enhancements.

Normally, when I mine ice, I use a hardened Orca with a Siege Warfare Mindlink, a Mackinaw, a hardened Iteron V, and a BC. I can't run that many clients anymore though.

Estrelita flies Myrmidons, but only T1 fittings. This also affected the possible Mac fittings I could use.

I've spent a year in 0.0, mining, and my impressions are that the corps and alliances that hire you usually end up stealing more from you than you lose on ships. Maybe it's just bad luck, but I've been down there with more than 10 different corps. Everyone of them sucked. My last trip out nearly broke me. It cost more to get my gear out than I made there.

'Stop being a victim', to me, means stop playing the part of the game I enjoy, and start playing a part that I don't like at all. I would quit playing before I did that.

But what are the game alternatives? I haven't found anything close to Eve.

I've posted before, with other characters, that what I was looking for, when I started playing Eve, was a full immersion simulation of civilization spreading out through a new area of space. We seem to be getting farther away from that.

Good point about that player being older than I am. My impressions of the new players are based on experiences I've had recruiting. Not on the ganker's actions. However, it does seem, to me, that more than half of the new players attracted to the game are people I would not want to have as a next door neighbor, either in-game or out. Maybe it's just that, "I just want to blow things up,' attitude that I have problems with.

Edit: A couple of things I didn't mention.

System population when I went out to the belt was 4.

I don't AFK mine.

Total time in the belt was less than 4 minutes.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-03-14 16:27:07 UTC
Seb Seba wrote:
I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.

It's spelled loser, loser...
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#50 - 2012-03-14 16:27:41 UTC
I think that you were bored and that the recent events you experienced was a tipping point for your decision to leave the game. You should probably take a break from Eve and come back in a few months with another strategy.
Ariana DeSoto
High-Tech Duct Tape
#51 - 2012-03-14 16:29:16 UTC
Please let me know when and where you mine so I can come protect you. For a small fee of course.

I don't always play EvE, but when I do, I prefer it to be a masochistic sandbox hell. Stay wardecked my friends.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#52 - 2012-03-14 16:29:53 UTC
Seb Seba wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession?
Mining? Seriously? X


It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one.
I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.



That would be you boy, as you can't even get the distinction between the adjective 'looser' and the noun 'loser'.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#53 - 2012-03-14 16:31:22 UTC
You could try to get CCP to fix the broken bounty system, but thats almost as likely as them actually making high-sec safe from gankers.

Ultimately it'll take lots of high-sec carebears leaving the game for CCP to consider changing the current easy-gank mechanics. Be sure to put "high-sec ganking" as your reason when you unsub, assuming they care.

Its the age old argument of those that love pvp, and those that don't. I'm of the opinion that both types can exist in eve and enjoy the game. But unfortunately instead of pvp being limited to low and null, they just love collecting those tears and easy isk from the players that don't shoot back in high-sec.

I guess they must get pwned in real combat. Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Estrelita Nobunaga
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-03-14 16:47:23 UTC
Seb Seba wrote:


It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one.
I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.


I don't remember saying that the game I want to play is the right one for anyone else. It's just the right one for me.

So what if I'm a loser in RL? This kind of lesson isn't going to help me much, I don't think.

I'm one of the rare ones who don't think that RL ends at the keyboard.



Jojo Booties
#55 - 2012-03-14 16:52:53 UTC
Over the years Estrelita, I have watched this game go down the toilet. We have a new breed of pilot, and they don't give a toss about anything that doesn't involve ruining somebody else's day.
It's a case of 'where did all the good guys go?'
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#56 - 2012-03-14 16:55:16 UTC
You know what would be a cool forum feature? Being able to filter out threads with the words "Loss" "Gank" or "Quit" in the OP. How about that for a paper cut? Big smile

Signatures should be used responsibly...

gfldex
#57 - 2012-03-14 17:08:50 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic.


You mean like 3 weeks after the game went public - 7 years ago? Back when there was no can flagging it was the only way to deal with ore thiefs. We used Kestrels for that job as they provided the best DPS/ISK ratio (and CONCORD used to be much slower).

I really wonder what happened to the player base in the last 7 years. Go to the old forum and travel back in time. It's shocking what players put up with. There was an outcry when Zombi attacked Yulai and got told by GMs to stop. Any form of interference of Devs or GMs with the sandbox was a sacrilege! All this whining nowadays because some PvP happened in a PvP game is just sickening.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#58 - 2012-03-14 17:15:08 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic.


You mean like 3 weeks after the game went public - 7 years ago? Back when there was no can flagging it was the only way to deal with ore thiefs. We used Kestrels for that job as they provided the best DPS/ISK ratio (and CONCORD used to be much slower).

I really wonder what happened to the player base in the last 7 years. Go to the old forum and travel back in time. It's shocking what players put up with. There was an outcry when Zombi attacked Yulai and got told by GMs to stop. Any form of interference of Devs or GMs with the sandbox was a sacrilege! All this whining nowadays because some PvP happened in a PvP game is just sickening.

This ^

Big time. WTF has happened to us? It's like a sparkle pony alliance came from the sparkle pony online community and decided to take over eve. Almost makes the goons look good!

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#59 - 2012-03-14 17:22:54 UTC
Pheusia wrote:
Nova is talking about the player, not the character.

There's no magic "PVP" skillbook that you train your character with to become a "PvPer". What happens is that one day you literally stop thinking like a victim and start thinking like a fighter. You learn situational awareness, preparedness, fitting for purpose, and accept that no one wins every time and losing the occasional ship is simply a cost of doing business.

Well said sir, well said.

Personally I would suggest rolling a ganglink alt (for tank bonuses), and actually fitting a tank to your mack next time.

Or better yet don't mine Ice, because of the lack of ice belts in high sec (a good thing btw) the odds of a ganker finding you are so much higher.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#60 - 2012-03-14 17:28:59 UTC
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
Seb Seba wrote:


It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one.
I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.


I don't remember saying that the game I want to play is the right one for anyone else. It's just the right one for me.

So what if I'm a loser in RL? This kind of lesson isn't going to help me much, I don't think.

I'm one of the rare ones who don't think that RL ends at the keyboard.





If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.

While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.

Carry on.

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