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Don't scan my ports CCP or else

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Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#41 - 2012-03-14 20:19:12 UTC
Or else what OP? Roll

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#42 - 2012-03-14 20:29:48 UTC
@ OP

In general: A Portscan is not an attack. But it might be suspicious.

Nevertheless:
If your computer does not offer services to the internet, no port will be open, and thus you are not vulnerable.
Therefore you first worry should be: Are there any services/programs (Linux:daemons) running, wo offer any server services to the internet like webserver, database server, mailserver .... Configure them correct, update them, harden them, or shut down them - and you should be fine then.
You may also additionally consider using "unusual" ports for your privately used services.

If you have some kind of "security software" which locks down every open internet connection, if someone scans your computer, then *this* is a security hole. Because you can be "cut of the internet" by anyone.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#43 - 2012-03-14 20:39:13 UTC
i just love the OP "or else" in the tagline.

Or else what?

Nothing clever at this time.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#44 - 2012-03-14 20:40:06 UTC
Simply pinging a port is not agressive and is certainly not an attack. You seriously have your system set to auto shutdown if someone pings you? That's incredibly short sighted to the legitimate uses of such a ping. Consider: a remote host has no means to know your system is there without first pinging to see if you're there. A ping literally cannot harm you unless there is malware listening on that port to accept a connection.

To use an analogy: someone is ringing your doorbell and you're shredding files in the basement in case you accidentally decide to open the front door.

Out of interest, what software are you using here?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#45 - 2012-03-14 20:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Simply pinging a port is not agressive and is certainly not an attack. You seriously have your system set to auto shutdown if someone pings you? That's incredibly short sighted to the legitimate uses of such a ping. Consider: a remote host has no means to know your system is there without first pinging to see if you're there. A ping literally cannot harm you unless there is malware listening on that port to accept a connection.

To use an analogy: someone is ringing your doorbell and you're shredding files in the basement in case you accidentally decide to open the front door.

Out of interest, what software are you using here?


He'd tell you, then he'd have to kill you. Big smile

Just in the interest of security you know.

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CCP Mort
C C P
C C P Alliance
#46 - 2012-03-14 21:10:48 UTC
Hi, sorry about that

The source of the scan is our FCP guy, We wrote a devblog on it some time ago..

The FCP is listening to all client traffic and will probe clients with ICMP and traceroute through each of our Internet connections.It does that to figure out if another provider might have better latency or less loss than the one picked automatically by BGP. So if it finds a better path it will instruct our Internet edge routers to overrule the default path.

This is a non-intrusive probe with good intentions ;)

CCP Mort
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#47 - 2012-03-14 21:11:46 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
WHY are all the people with military type names so insistent that I open my doors to them. I have a right to keep and bare firewalls. Mine happens to be Russian where freedom still exists. Why are so many people against me having some privacy? Why do so many act as if they don't even think I should expect privacy and security. I pay a premium price, I expect a lot from any publisher for only a few bucks a month but now I have one that takes 20 times that off of me. Publication is one way, they put it out and I pay. They don't get information off me with or without my permission without compensation.



Well where to start.

First, if you have an internet connecton active on your computer, you have no privacy or security. Do you buy things online? You have not privacy. Do you do online banking? You do not have privacy. The internet is a great and wonderful place but it has many many danagers. Once your info is on the internet, that is it, nothing you can do but hope you are not a target someday.
End of Debate.

There is not such thing as hack proof or 100% security when we are talking about technology.

After working in the IT field for over 20+ years, computer/network security is a false sense of safe. It is a cat and mouse game and the mouse has the advantage Just like Cops and Crimials, Criminals have the advantage as they do not have a set of rules to follow like the cops do. Same thing with Security Experts and Hackers/Virus makers, the hackers/virus makers have the advantage and always will.

Port Scanning is not an attack and alot of programs and ISP companies do port scanning. It can lead to an attack but the most you have to worry about on a home PC is it becoming part of a BoT network and you would never know about it most likely.


I understand that take the time to setup your security and you want to have that false sense of safety but the reality is, unless you go back to dial up and/or unplug your router everytime you leave your computer, you will never been 100% secure and you will not have privacy.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2012-03-14 21:16:11 UTC
CCP Mort wrote:
The source of the scan is our FCP guy, We wrote a devblog on it some time ago..

The FCP is listening to all client traffic and will probe clients with ICMP and traceroute through each of our Internet connections.It does that to figure out if another provider might have better latency or less loss than the one picked automatically by BGP. So if it finds a better path it will instruct our Internet edge routers to overrule the default path.
Oh right. I forgot that you were doing that. That was really a silly obvious answer to what was going one when you think about it. Lol

Will we see any new devblog in a while on what the effects have been, and if you've seen any improvements?
gfldex
#49 - 2012-03-14 21:29:13 UTC
CCP Mort wrote:
The source of the scan is our FCP guy


And you are sure he will not sell all our secrets to facebook?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#50 - 2012-03-14 21:30:53 UTC
I sleep with a Bowie knife under my pillow and several firearms within reach.Yes some one is ringing the bell, I've racked a round into my shotgun, I've shut my lights off inside and turned on the spotlight outside. I have billions of Isk. You all may have given up the hope of privacy but I have not and I have had it to an extent until a couple days ago.. I DO resent having to spend time on this. I really don't want to relearn everything I had to learn because of listening to others with your attitudes nor do I want to try to dig for worms and Trojans again. My box has been clean for years. If I have to open my system up to threats to play a game doesn't it make more sense to rid myself of the offending software that these scans are looking for? Why should I waste time on this stuff. Nobody pays me for my time when I' go down.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#51 - 2012-03-14 21:43:37 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
I sleep with a Bowie knife under my pillow and several firearms within reach.Yes some one is ringing the bell, I've racked a round into my shotgun, I've shut my lights off inside and turned on the spotlight outside. I have billions of Isk. You all may have given up the hope of privacy but I have not and I have had it to an extent until a couple days ago.. I DO resent having to spend time on this. I really don't want to relearn everything I had to learn because of listening to others with your attitudes nor do I want to try to dig for worms and Trojans again. My box has been clean for years. If I have to open my system up to threats to play a game doesn't it make more sense to rid myself of the offending software that these scans are looking for? Why should I waste time on this stuff. Nobody pays me for my time when I' go down.


Then ignore them, hurting nobody but yourself.

As a side note, you do know that one of the main things a break and enter specialist goes for are firearms... they simply wait until you are away from home.

Just a thought to brighten your day. Big smile

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CCP Mort
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2012-03-14 21:47:56 UTC
Quote:
Will we see any new devblog in a while on what the effects have been, and if you've seen any improvements?


Ah..I vaguely remember promising some followup - and I think it's time...we have now been running the FCP for some time...

Going to get over fanfest ....and when/if I recover, I should be able to write something ;)

CCP Mort.
Par'Gellen
#53 - 2012-03-14 21:52:06 UTC
What does FCP stand for? I haven't trained acronyms yet...

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#54 - 2012-03-14 21:56:55 UTC
Par'Gellen wrote:
What does FCP stand for? I haven't trained acronyms yet...


I believe the OP would like us to believe FCP stands for Fraudulent Cyber Penetration. Smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#55 - 2012-03-14 22:21:06 UTC
CCP Mort wrote:
Quote:
Will we see any new devblog in a while on what the effects have been, and if you've seen any improvements?


Ah..I vaguely remember promising some followup - and I think it's time...we have now been running the FCP for some time...

Going to get over fanfest ....and when/if I recover, I should be able to write something ;)

CCP Mort.
Ok, we'll expect something to show up in… oh… June or so, then. P
Frothgar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-03-14 22:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Frothgar
Muestereate wrote:
I sleep with a Bowie knife under my pillow and several firearms within reach.Yes some one is ringing the bell, I've racked a round into my shotgun, I've shut my lights off inside and turned on the spotlight outside. I have billions of Isk. You all may have given up the hope of privacy but I have not and I have had it to an extent until a couple days ago.. I DO resent having to spend time on this. I really don't want to relearn everything I had to learn because of listening to others with your attitudes nor do I want to try to dig for worms and Trojans again. My box has been clean for years. If I have to open my system up to threats to play a game doesn't it make more sense to rid myself of the offending software that these scans are looking for? Why should I waste time on this stuff. Nobody pays me for my time when I' go down.



I like how its not just "a gun" but SEVERAL firearms. This is either the greatest troll in a while, or someone who sincerely contemplates murder whenever some senior citizen for the census bureau knocks at the door. OH GOD THEY FOUND ME!!!

I suppose there might be some legitimate reasons for the outlook, crappy childhood, chronic mental illness (Meds help, but therapy and meds help more) or OP is just a garden variety sicko with the sort of files on his computer the FBI and the general population of the state pen might find tremendously interesting to know about ^_

If you aren't a repeat felon, or a judicated sex offender (or just haven't been caught yet) I'd simply suggest not acting like one.

Life is actually pretty cool if you let it be, and there are lots of interesting people out there you can develop meaningful relationships with!
Krenalla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-03-14 22:26:20 UTC

This is a non-intrusive probe with good intentions ;)

Source of OP's butthurt
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#58 - 2012-03-14 22:30:29 UTC
Wow. If my router threw a hissy fit every time it got some strange traffic on some random port, I'd never get anything done. Roll

This sort of thing happens all the time without me ever seeing it. I check router logs...sometimes...and find extended attempts by someone to do i-don't-know-what, and failing. There are countless bots, worms, and scripts out there trolling the whole internet looking for vulnerable systems

Maybe the erratic, unusual behavior of your tin-foil security measures caught someone's attention and they were trying to figure out what was going on, and whether they could get through.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#59 - 2012-03-14 22:31:17 UTC
why is Final Cut Pro scanning ports?
Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#60 - 2012-03-14 22:38:02 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
My box has been clean for years


All i use is Microsoft Security Essentials and my boxes have been clean as well. What's your point?

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