EVE General Discussion

…and that hugeness doesn't particularly matter to your turrets since the Drake would be about as easy to hit if it turned the MWD off.

Setting aside for a moment that it's not really true… yes? So what?

I"ve been shat on by titans, but, thats what a ******* titan is for, Thats why you pay 60 billion isk for one. So you can easily kill smaller ****.

I mean, whats next, make Battleships unable to target frigates because they might one-shot a poor frigate pilot who cant afford a battleship?

And your point being?

That sucks for everyone but the 0.3% who fly titans?

It removes all but one tactic?

It makes it impossible for most alliances to win fights?

CCP dont want capital ships online?

Take your pick.

…and in that case, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. There's really no other way of saying it.

You buy bigger ships to get the role the bigger ship offers. For most bigger ships, that role is not to kill smaller ships (with the exception of carriers). The reason they don't have that role is because it's idiotic and removes content from the game. EVE does not adhere to the bigger-is-better-trap that all lesser games fall into, and the fact that titans broke this rule is one of the reasons it's getting these (and other, future) nerfs. The people who are getting upset by this change are the ones who have not understood how EVE is designed, and that's their problem — it certainly isn't a reason to keep ships that break the design principle.

A bigger ship is simply bigger. Whatever else the ship does is a function of its role, not its size.

Look up Millennium Challenge 2002.

The whole titan / super carrier class was a mistake. Now the pilots who bought them are going to pay for it

Expanding the capital class would have made more sense

Ships that size should not be mobile at all, or only under really restricted conditions. But they should be very hard to beat in place

The current nerf is not so revolutionary it could not have waited for the next major update. What is the emergency

All this argument and attention to a few hundred ships

Meanwhile nobody helps the noobs except other noobs because older corps have been burned by spies

Make 1 sec safe for everybody and no targeting

Make .7-.9 sec function like now

Make .5-.6 sec more violent than now, allow limited cap entr

Make low sec friendly to one strong pos per corp with doomsday weapo

Make super caps into occasionally moveable base

Make more kinds of capital ships including T2 ship

Make more T2 and T3 batteship

Limit number of sov units per alliance or weaken them as numbers gro

Make more NPC stations in null se

Grow a big fat safe pool of new players in protected space and depend on the store about the re

Despite what I said before, it would be a much smarter solution to buff the sub cap ships to kill titans more easily as a way of evening the fight. Customers don't like it when they lose functionality, and why should they? The solution here could have been to create a sub-cap titan killer, or a module that offers protection from Titan scanning. I have stopped buying caps for my alts since I don't know what they'll be able to do in six months.

There is way too much CCP giving functionality and then CCP taking it away in this game.

…oh, and the reason battleships have fallen out of use is exactly because they are so vulnerable to smaller attack vessels in various forms.

Regardless, the fundamental fact remains: EVE does not follow a bigger-is-better design for the simple reason that it's a hideously bad concept. Asking large ships to be able to kill small ships just because they're larger makes no sense and isn't going to work (just like how price isn't a useful argument in a game designed around a concept of marginal improvement at exponential cost).

If you fly a big ship just because you think it will or should be able to take on the smaller ships, you're only fooling yourself. You pick a ship because of its role and function.

hmm yes CCP should reverse this nerf and just rewrite their marketing literature

"eve online: the sandbox where you are absolutely irrelevant until you are flying the most expensive ships"

goons are the only ones who will bother addressing people on eve-o gd hth