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I think Tengu is too much powerful
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Kyoko Yamakawa
JUST SET TIMES
#1 - 2012-03-13 11:58:05 UTC
every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships. Cry
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-13 12:03:50 UTC
Kyoko Yamakawa wrote:
every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships. Cry



On thew contrary they are use to counter capitals,. XL turrets have a hell of a time hitting AB tengu's.

The same can't be said for a MWDing Drake.
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#3 - 2012-03-13 12:05:34 UTC
Not much experience with Tengus, but maybe Neuts and Webs? Main defense of a tengu is its speed and low signature.
welsh wizard
Celestial Fish Inc.
#4 - 2012-03-13 12:06:34 UTC
XL turrets can hit MWD'ing BC's now? Even with high tranversal? Things have changed if so.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-13 12:10:32 UTC
welsh wizard wrote:
XL turrets can hit MWD'ing BC's now? Even with high tranversal? Things have changed if so.



https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=582584


That was full burn between about 6 of them......maybe 50km total, fight was flat on a station.
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#6 - 2012-03-13 12:23:39 UTC
A small group of ships are easily capable of killing a tengu (Assuming 100mn), minimum;

Rapier/Huginn
DPS (Canes or Something else that has neuts)

Other Recommended ships;
Curse (Hvy Neut Curse Preferably)
Arazu
Logi

But a tengu can be killed by a rapier and two canes (Canes are good because of a good balance of speed DPS tank neuts) other DPS ships also work.

If its not 100mn just scram it and neut it, you will find it dies like any other ship.
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#7 - 2012-03-13 12:25:06 UTC
Oh and remember to punch them resist holes, EM and Explosive are both good bets with Tengus.
Kyoko Yamakawa
JUST SET TIMES
#8 - 2012-03-13 12:41:09 UTC
tengu can shoot in a long range. it has bloody high resistances. it has high dps. it has high speed. what kind of ship can flight Tengu with 1 VS 1? if Tengu shows up, someone get killed.
Sophisto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-13 12:55:22 UTC
I lost my first Tengu running a mission in low sec to another Tengu who scanned me down with a friend.. they webbed, neut'd, and my omni tanked mission runner Tengu dropped in 30 secs. Theyre not OP, just need to know how to counter them.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#10 - 2012-03-13 12:57:21 UTC
Kyoko Yamakawa wrote:
if Tengu shows up, someone get killed.

If Ibis shows up, someone gets killed too.

To the subject, maybe another T3 could counter?
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#11 - 2012-03-13 13:57:54 UTC
I would bet on a decently fitted web Loki in a 1vs1, assuming the Loki started withing web/OH point range shouldnt be an issue.

Killing Tengus is all about forcing an engagement on your terms, range control is there biggest advantage, remove it, fighting on gates or on Accel Gates is a good way of doing this.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#12 - 2012-03-13 15:50:57 UTC
Anything with webs and neuts will do really. They got good tanks but anything can be taken down, there are ships I fear far more then the Tengu tbh.
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#13 - 2012-03-13 16:00:59 UTC
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Anything with webs and neuts will do really. They got good tanks but anything can be taken down, there are ships I fear far more then the Tengu tbh.



To be honest if caught on a gate or something, your average buffer tengu could be taken down by a 1600 plated cane or two.
Ford Chicago
Ziz Zag Ziggurat
#14 - 2012-03-13 17:50:41 UTC
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Anything with webs and neuts will do really. They got good tanks but anything can be taken down, there are ships I fear far more then the Tengu tbh.


I knew there was a reason to keep that Ashimmu!
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-03-13 19:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Onictus wrote:
Kyoko Yamakawa wrote:
every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships. Cry



On thew contrary they are use to counter capitals,. XL turrets have a hell of a time hitting AB tengu's.

The same can't be said for a MWDing Drake.


Double Web armor loki will eat your ubber Tengu by 2, provided of course the guy knows what he's doing.
Secondly the myth of "easy tengu subs lvl1 rocks all eve" is a myth by definition, let me invite you to train for it, use it and then come back say exactly the same stuff.

Tengu is easy to counter:
HAM's? 1 heavy neut cycle = no more hardeners = no more tank = tengu dead
HM's little bit more tricky to get it but if he's above 40/50km witch is max point range with officer stuff in a tengu, all you need is a rapier double web or loki double web and faction point, orbit shoot, loot and smack in local.

Now if you expect to point a full trained tengu pilot pvp experienced with a decent T2 fit, with your rifter and gtfo easily then you're kidding yourself. It's a T3 cruiser guy, his effectiveness is proportional to the extreme of it's fit/Skills.
Well except proteus brick, just good at gates once again or shoot mining barges/heavy tackle. (Deimos does same for cheaper)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-03-13 19:34:34 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Kyoko Yamakawa wrote:
every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships. Cry



On thew contrary they are use to counter capitals,. XL turrets have a hell of a time hitting AB tengu's.

The same can't be said for a MWDing Drake.


Double Web armor loki will eat your ubber Tengu by 2, provided of course the guy knows what he's doing.
Secondly the myth of "easy tengu subs lvl1 rocks all eve" is a myth by definition, let me invite you to train for it, use it and then come back say exactly the same stuff.

Tengu is easy to counter:
HAM's? 1 heavy neut cycle = no more hardeners = no more tank = tengu dead
HM's little bit more tricky to get it but if he's above 40/50km witch is max point range with officer stuff in a tengu, all you need is a rapier double web or loki double web and faction point, orbit shoot, loot and smack in local.

Now if you expect to point a full trained tengu pilot pvp experienced with a decent T2 fit, with your rifter and gtfo easily then you're kidding yourself. It's a T3 cruiser guy, his effectiveness is proportional to the extreme of it's fit/Skills, well except proteus brick, just good at gates once again of shoot mining barges, heavy tackle. (Deimos does same for cheaper)




Don't watch KBs much eh?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-03-13 19:42:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Onictus wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Kyoko Yamakawa wrote:
every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships. Cry



On thew contrary they are use to counter capitals,. XL turrets have a hell of a time hitting AB tengu's.

The same can't be said for a MWDing Drake.


Double Web armor loki will eat your ubber Tengu by 2, provided of course the guy knows what he's doing.
Secondly the myth of "easy tengu subs lvl1 rocks all eve" is a myth by definition, let me invite you to train for it, use it and then come back say exactly the same stuff.

Tengu is easy to counter:
HAM's? 1 heavy neut cycle = no more hardeners = no more tank = tengu dead
HM's little bit more tricky to get it but if he's above 40/50km witch is max point range with officer stuff in a tengu, all you need is a rapier double web or loki double web and faction point, orbit shoot, loot and smack in local.

Now if you expect to point a full trained tengu pilot pvp experienced with a decent T2 fit, with your rifter and gtfo easily then you're kidding yourself. It's a T3 cruiser guy, his effectiveness is proportional to the extreme of it's fit/Skills, well except proteus brick, just good at gates once again of shoot mining barges, heavy tackle. (Deimos does same for cheaper)




Don't watch KBs much eh?


Picks or you lie !

Show me your uberness Proteus fleets filling your killboard please.

Also: please faction fit your Tengus and Lokis too, bring those in large numbers and please harass all eve with because they're completely OP and there's nothing players can do about it Lol

I need a good reason to fly my Proteus other than put a bait in the belt and stay cloaked waiting a stupid to jump over it.
Well Tanya doesn't care anyway she only flies untanked empty badgers for lols <3
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2012-03-14 00:54:27 UTC
2 Web/Targetpainter armor rapier + 2/3 Hurricanes.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#19 - 2012-03-14 01:01:37 UTC
Sophisto wrote:
Theyre not OP, just need to know how to counter them.

This. I've found that something like an Ashimmu with TP will get through a Legion quite nicely. Afraid I don't have the KM to back it up, as this was on Sisi - but the potential is there. Web/neut/TP the things and they melt soon enough.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-14 01:39:18 UTC
The reason why people hate Tengu's is because they are one of the few ships that actually require you to understand game mechanics thoroughly to take down.

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