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Incoming titan adjustments

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EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#941 - 2012-03-13 23:06:01 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
Charles Case wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Swearte Widfarend wrote:


So Titans can't hit MWD drakes with the signature of carriers flying in a ball (orbiting an anchor) that is keeping range when their transversal hits zero, because geometry failed me, but your enlightening post has cleared it all up.

Thanks!

If your range from your target is maintained throughout your orbit of the anchor, your trans never hits 0.


i don't think you'll be able to get through to this one


you guys are both ******* idiots learn to read if you are anchored on someone other than the guy shooting at you there are 2 points in the orbit where you have 0 trans.

By making this change you are actually hurting the alliances who actually have the balls to field their 100b isk ships. The cfc has at least 2 times the super capital numbers as raiden. The problem is we don't have the balls to lose some killing all of theirs.


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The door is over there. Please excuse yourself.

Good day.
Powers Sa
#942 - 2012-03-13 23:06:05 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623314 Oh wait.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623239 Oh... Oh no.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/621694 Titans can't hit small ships.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625987 That looks like a drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625956 Clearly a dual LSE large sigged drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625985 :ohdear:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625893 Oh oh god.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629988 Look at all the LSE's on that drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629987 Another one of those drakes.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623437 No Problem At All.

Reposting these killmails for the titan thread. Anybody who cares enough can also hit the battles button for those kills, and see where fleets of hundreds were wiped out by 40 titans, while the titan group took generally 0 losses.

Anybody in this thread who thinks there wasn't a problem with titans has never spent a week having every single fight end with a titan blob being cyno'd in on your head the second you burn all the way over to wherever you're fighting, and hit grid. And being told to immediately turn around and go home, because there is nothing a subcap fleet can do to a titan blob but die as fast as the titans can cycle their guns.

Remember when they decided to park a small group of titans on a gate and just camp it with them, killing anything that came through? Yeah, no problem at all with titans.

This should be empty quoted for about 10 pages.

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GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
#943 - 2012-03-13 23:06:07 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
CynoNet Two wrote:

The tools already exist ingame to counter different groups of players in the form of spying, politics, attacks on morale, market manipulation and other metagaming.



Odd, are you suggesting somehow those same counters aren't effective against supercaps?? What makes those tactics work better against sub caps.


While Im staring at a mirror, are you asking yourself what you did to make 100 titans want to shoot you?


(hint: its the fact that we blued literally everyone else in the universe and you're the only people left to shoot)

fyp
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#944 - 2012-03-13 23:07:00 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623314 Oh wait.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623239 Oh... Oh no.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/621694 Titans can't hit small ships.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625987 That looks like a drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625956 Clearly a dual LSE large sigged drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625985 :ohdear:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625893 Oh oh god.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629988 Look at all the LSE's on that drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629987 Another one of those drakes.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623437 No Problem At All.

Reposting these killmails for the titan thread. Anybody who cares enough can also hit the battles button for those kills, and see where fleets of hundreds were wiped out by 40 titans, while the titan group took generally 0 losses.

Anybody in this thread who thinks there wasn't a problem with titans has never spent a week having every single fight end with a titan blob being cyno'd in on your head the second you burn all the way over to wherever you're fighting, and hit grid. And being told to immediately turn around and go home, because there is nothing a subcap fleet can do to a titan blob but die as fast as the titans can cycle their guns.

Remember when they decided to park a small group of titans on a gate and just camp it with them, killing anything that came through? Yeah, no problem at all with titans.

This should be empty quoted for about 10 pages.


no **** then people would finally get a clue what the argument should be about.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#945 - 2012-03-13 23:08:53 UTC
If this keeps up I will have to convert my megathron for underwater use!
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#946 - 2012-03-13 23:09:16 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
By making this change you are actually hurting the alliances who actually have the balls to field their 100b isk ships. The cfc has at least 2 times the super capital numbers as raiden. The problem is we don't have the balls to lose some killing all of theirs.


someone doesn't understand timezone dominance!

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EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#947 - 2012-03-13 23:09:44 UTC
But guys my pixels cost more than your pixels so I should win!!!!!!
Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#948 - 2012-03-13 23:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Largo Coronet
So many tears, so much pain. So delicious.

For all of you who think "THIS NERF AM HOORIBLE, NOW WE NEED MORE PEOPLE!" don't get it.

This is what we've always wanted in the GSF. This is what CCP sold us on all these years. Have you all forgotten this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1

Look at it. Look at it, you damned morons. Thousands of ships engaged in a massive fight for a system. Thousands. Capital ships by the dozens with supercaps in support, in space filled with so many subcapitals that you can't see through them. Working together in coordinated fleets. Smaller ships combining their power to take on larger ones. Destruction and death in epic scale.

This is the game we were promised when we subscribed!

What part of the word massively in the term "massively multiplayer online game" don't you get?

We were not told we would have a game where a handful of risk-averse "1337" jerks who botted their way into giant
e-peens would be able to blow up anything and everything with impunity, used by players who hypocritically claim to be
about "good fites" when it only means to fight when you have more powerful ships than everyone else. Blathering about
"honour" while treating new players with contempt and using all their resources to get even more giant space wangs instead of actually helping them to make the more tedious aspects of the game (and they are legion) unnecessary.

You whine and moan and call us griefers when we're playing the game CCP wants us to play, hold your breath until you turn blue, then stamp your feet and threaten to take your ball away and go home. Feel free. Be my guest and don't let the door hit you on the gluteals on the way out.

I'm going to stick around and play the game I was offered in the first place.

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CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#949 - 2012-03-13 23:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: CynoNet Two
Grath Telkin wrote:
CynoNet Two wrote:

The tools already exist ingame to counter different groups of players in the form of spying, politics, attacks on morale, market manipulation and other metagaming.



Odd, are you suggesting somehow those same counters aren't effective against supercaps?? What makes those tactics work better against sub caps.


While Im staring at a mirror, are you asking yourself what you did to make 100 titans want to shoot you?


(hint: its the blob)

Similar answer to both questions:

We've been meta-gaming to get titans nerfed since forever and offending their elite pvp sensibilities; and
We successfully meta-gamed to get titans nerfed, thus countering them.

You seriously didn't think something was up with us feeding the elite PVP crowd constant drake kills for a month? Silly t1 goonies lololollol
GreGh Rakrot
Strix Ridens
#950 - 2012-03-13 23:11:42 UTC
Koby Botick wrote:
GreGh Rakrot wrote:

Changes to titans ? Ofc, but do it in proper way (preferably with drastic sov change mechanics).


If you actually read the OP from Greyscale you will find that he said that they want to do a big overhaul, but they can't do it now.

If you read between the lines, you can read that they have to step in now with a quick fix, because abuse of tracking titans has become too widespread and can no longer be ignored.


If you would acctualy read what I said you would see I am talking about greater picture here where titans wouldnt be needed to counter massive fleets since they wouldnt exist. What the dev in OP is talking about is greater overhaul of titans only. The thing is titan fleets are a response to what existed before, huge fleets that can only be countered with better hardware by those that dont have same numbers. Thats why I quoted your alliance member who seems to understand the issue. Hotfix would be what he suggested, what CCP is doing is plain out nerf bat without much thought of the consequences.

Yes, titans and supercaps in general are in some sort of limbo because CCP doesnt know what role to give them, but making them POS ornaments isnt a solution. To be honest this whole game would need massive overhaul because CCP has been applying mostly "hotfixes" for years rather then properly re-doing the whole 0.0 concept of the game.
Joker Deville
Perkone
Caldari State
#951 - 2012-03-13 23:12:27 UTC
This is amazing. I have finally resubbed with ALL my accounts (4 accounts) and will immediately get all my pilots into drakes to blob it up because PL can't **** with me anymore with their e-dicks.


I hope this nerf comes sooner than later or I will be tempted to unsub once again for 7-8 months. I hear there is a firesale in the SO section. Holy **** all those titans, I want one!


CCP: Making sure one ship fits one role, never letting one ship rule them all!
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#952 - 2012-03-13 23:14:52 UTC
GreGh Rakrot wrote:

Yes, titans and supercaps in general are in some sort of limbo because CCP doesnt know what role to give them, but making them POS ornaments isnt a solution. To be honest this whole game would need massive overhaul because CCP has been applying mostly "hotfixes" for years rather then properly re-doing the whole 0.0 concept of the game.

Yeah, and Raidendot's answer for that is to back Elise Randolph for CSM. Think on that for a bit.
Xayder
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#953 - 2012-03-13 23:15:39 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623314 Oh wait.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623239 Oh... Oh no.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/621694 Titans can't hit small ships.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625987 That looks like a drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625956 Clearly a dual LSE large sigged drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625985 :ohdear:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625893 Oh oh god.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629988 Look at all the LSE's on that drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629987 Another one of those drakes.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623437 No Problem At All.

Reposting these killmails for the titan thread. Anybody who cares enough can also hit the battles button for those kills, and see where fleets of hundreds were wiped out by 40 titans, while the titan group took generally 0 losses.

Anybody in this thread who thinks there wasn't a problem with titans has never spent a week having every single fight end with a titan blob being cyno'd in on your head the second you burn all the way over to wherever you're fighting, and hit grid. And being told to immediately turn around and go home, because there is nothing a subcap fleet can do to a titan blob but die as fast as the titans can cycle their guns.

Remember when they decided to park a small group of titans on a gate and just camp it with them, killing anything that came through? Yeah, no problem at all with titans.

I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#954 - 2012-03-13 23:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
GreGh Rakrot wrote:
Koby Botick wrote:
GreGh Rakrot wrote:

Changes to titans ? Ofc, but do it in proper way (preferably with drastic sov change mechanics).


If you actually read the OP from Greyscale you will find that he said that they want to do a big overhaul, but they can't do it now.

If you read between the lines, you can read that they have to step in now with a quick fix, because abuse of tracking titans has become too widespread and can no longer be ignored.


If you would acctualy read what I said you would see I am talking about greater picture here where titans wouldnt be needed to counter massive fleets since they wouldnt exist. What the dev in OP is talking about is greater overhaul of titans only. The thing is titan fleets are a response to what existed before, huge fleets that can only be countered with better hardware by those that dont have same numbers. Thats why I quoted your alliance member who seems to understand the issue. Hotfix would be what he suggested, what CCP is doing is plain out nerf bat without much thought of the consequences.

Yes, titans and supercaps in general are in some sort of limbo because CCP doesnt know what role to give them, but making them POS ornaments isnt a solution. To be honest this whole game would need massive overhaul because CCP has been applying mostly "hotfixes" for years rather then properly re-doing the whole 0.0 concept of the game.


Nobody wants titans to be POS ornaments, not even the CFC.

Did you not pay attention to the fact that there is an entire EXPANSION coming up focused on warfare?

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Joker Deville
Perkone
Caldari State
#955 - 2012-03-13 23:16:03 UTC
Joker Deville wrote:
This is amazing. I have finally resubbed with ALL my accounts (4 accounts) and will immediately get all my pilots into drakes to blob it up because PL can't **** with me anymore with their e-dicks.


I hope this nerf comes sooner than later or I will be tempted to unsub once again for 7-8 months. I hear there is a firesale in the SO section. Holy **** all those titans, I want one!


CCP: Making sure one ship fits one role, never letting one ship rule them all!


Okay, I admit I have no idea what is going on but I hear that the glorious GoonSwarm Federation have succesfully made CCP understand how titans should really work and both the alliance and the company have collaborated towards achieving a mutual vision for how it should be as of now and acted accordingly.

Cheers

Joker Deville
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#956 - 2012-03-13 23:16:25 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:


Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.

You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!


This is the problem:


Right now, either side can win, as Goons have shown in Tenal.


Raiden is done, they're literally losing space and moons in the EU tz, despite outnumbering your supercap fleet.

You beat them, admittedly Mittens hit the brakes hard on the campaign so it wouldn't look so obvious, but they're done effectively.

What this means is that in the current game environment, people who spend a ton of money on hardware can compete with people whos main resource are warm bodies.



This change won't change that, and thats why its infuriating. Its literally a change just for the sake of change, its ham handed, it physically fixes nothing at all.


Thats what the retards in the thread seem not to grasp, all they see is somebody posting against the nerf and assume they're mad about the nerf because it gimps their toy. Thats not whats upsetting those of us with any form of game knowledge.

Post change, Titans will still track BC's, BS, and shield tanked cruisers (poor onyx and broadswords) just like they do now, they'll hit just as hard, the only thing the change accomplishes is that the initial barrage comes about 20 seconds later than it comes now.


The main point of argument here is that many of us see this as CCP trying to push the game towards numbers, the CFC of course cries that this isn't the case, though they would, as numbers are their primary arsenal. They in turn attack our primary arsenal against their blob calling it 'unfair' that we hold so much power. But when questioned about why having more people should be the deciding factor over more money, they don't really have an answer. They call the titans invincible and are shown active counters that work just fine, and when you ask them what the counter is to massive numbers they have fantastical stories about 1200 man fleets that sit around waiting to get hit by 200 bombers.


The infuriating part is simply that this nerf doesn't DO anything to the titans against sub caps, it acutally HURTS them against caps, something the dev blog says at the outset they want the titans to be good against.



Why change them at all until you're ready to roll out the complete package in a revamp? I mean hell, make it one of the primary concerns of the June expansion, fixing titans into a new complete role. Not nerfing uselessly for the sake of a nerf just to show people you you're doing something that you won't come back to for 2 years.




This is effectively akin to CCP going "We don't like blobs, fleets are now limited to 50 members only, but we'll iterate on it later so that you can have our new vision of fleets, we don't know when, but we'll do it, we promise". You see, nothing would change really, its a bit more of a pain in the ass to basically achieve the same thing you have now.

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SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#957 - 2012-03-13 23:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: SuperBeastie
Powers Sa wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623314 Oh wait.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623239 Oh... Oh no.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/621694 Titans can't hit small ships.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625987 That looks like a drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625956 Clearly a dual LSE large sigged drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625985 :ohdear:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625893 Oh oh god.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629988 Look at all the LSE's on that drake.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629987 Another one of those drakes.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623437 No Problem At All.

Reposting these killmails for the titan thread. Anybody who cares enough can also hit the battles button for those kills, and see where fleets of hundreds were wiped out by 40 titans, while the titan group took generally 0 losses.

Anybody in this thread who thinks there wasn't a problem with titans has never spent a week having every single fight end with a titan blob being cyno'd in on your head the second you burn all the way over to wherever you're fighting, and hit grid. And being told to immediately turn around and go home, because there is nothing a subcap fleet can do to a titan blob but die as fast as the titans can cycle their guns.

Remember when they decided to park a small group of titans on a gate and just camp it with them, killing anything that came through? Yeah, no problem at all with titans.

This should be empty quoted for about 10 pages.



0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity

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Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#958 - 2012-03-13 23:18:12 UTC
Joker Deville wrote:
Joker Deville wrote:
This is amazing. I have finally resubbed with ALL my accounts (4 accounts) and will immediately get all my pilots into drakes to blob it up because PL can't **** with me anymore with their e-dicks.


I hope this nerf comes sooner than later or I will be tempted to unsub once again for 7-8 months. I hear there is a firesale in the SO section. Holy **** all those titans, I want one!


CCP: Making sure one ship fits one role, never letting one ship rule them all!


Okay, I admit I have no idea what is going on but I hear that the glorious GoonSwarm Federation have succesfully made CCP understand how titans should really work and both the alliance and the company have collaborated towards achieving a mutual vision for how it should be as of now and acted accordingly.

Cheers

Joker Deville



Joker Deville for CSM
Joker Deville
Perkone
Caldari State
#959 - 2012-03-13 23:19:03 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:


Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.

You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!


This is the problem:


:words:

Acwron
Meet The Fockers
#960 - 2012-03-13 23:20:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
Acwron wrote:
Andski wrote:
Acwron wrote:
Achaiah7 wrote:
The tears, they precious. I can haz your stuffs?


You can't. Cos you can't fly it. Now go back into your drake.


If I recall right, we relieved you of the burden of Nyx ownership. You replaced it, and lost a Nyx and Ragnarok shortly thereafter. HEH


Your spies are dead and burried long time ago prolly.

1. I do post with my main
2. I never lost a titan.
3. I lost a Nyx cos mittani is a jerk and is using his CSM chairman position ( which is outside the game ) in the game to scam people.
3. I lost another Nyx trying to save my friend's titan.
3. I did replace one Nyx and bought 1 more titan and was aiming to get another 2. If they really nerf the titans, I won't buy another, of course. I will also stop most of my accounts and keep only 3-4. I have 12 now. CCP will be happy I suppose.
4. No, you can't have my stuff cos you simply don't have the skills to use most of my ships.

Regarding the Titan nerf : If it gets to that, I think would be fair for us to have the skill points back to reallocate them into something useful and the isk spent on the titans as well ( market price not production price ).


You lost the first Nyx because you're an idiot. You lost the other Nyx because you're an idiot who never realized that a triage carrier is a cheaper and more effective way to save a supercapital that is being attacked. You're an eBay moron - fyi, i can fly literally any ship you own, this is not my only character ;p


You have no clue what happened but you speak like you actually know. Idiot? You're stupid enough to think you're smart. That wouldn't bother me but it seems you wanna show it to everybody. Congratz, now we all know you're just a pathetic loser. You're the only one who doesn't and will never know it. Cos you're too dumb. Fight titans and get the loss kill mail like a man.