EVE General Discussion

Now will my suggestion of calling the amount of time slowing "Gamma" catch on? And the idea of displaying Gamma somewhere on the screen? Gamma would usually be 100% then drop as time slows.

Personally, if I was playing a game and something started to change the game's gamma value, I'd expect the brightness to change.

Will the same number of shots need to be fired at a ship to make it blow up? Yes.

Will those shots take more time? Yes.

Will some module activations now be possible that weren't before (e.g.: shield transporters)? Yes.

Therefore, Time Dilation will indeed make fleet fights last longer than they already do. QED.

You might think that black screens and module lag currently make fights last longer, but all Time Dilation will be doing is allowing logistics boats to actually get reps on ships before they blow up due to incoming DPS (and no, I'm not claiming that Time Dilation will help logistics save boats that are blown up by a single salvo, I'm claiming that Time Dilation will allow logistics to get reps on ships at all). The removal of black screens and module lag will be countered by thhiiiiinnnngggss tttaaaaaaakkiiiiing looooonggeeeeerr toooo haaaaappppeeeeenn. Fights will take at least the same amount of time, it's just that now you click a button and stuff will happen. As opposed to nothing happening, or your button not even being there to click.

Combine that with 10 seconds of "grid time" taking, say, 15 seconds of real time, and suddenly getting reinforcements en route to a big fight ASAP will actually mean something. The fight might still be in progress when reinforcements arrive. Pilots who lose ships simply re-ship and head back into the fracas.

I do not doubt that there is a very real possibility of Time Dilation leading to "perpetual fights", given enough ships cramming onto grid. As a parallel to "Time To Penis" used to dismiss ideas of player-contributed content, I'll propose a "Time To Perpetual", in which we can run a book on how long it will be from the time Time Dilation is available and working on Tranquility to the time a massive fleet fight occurs which sucks in every available ship and pilot from 50 jumps, because suddenly every ship does matter, and people actually go to work and come back ten hours later to find the same fight still running.

If a X v X fight takes half an hour to resolve, how many ships will need to be on grid to make Time Dilation stretch that fight out to an hour? What about two hours? Will it be linear or exponential dilation (i.e.: doubling the number of people more than doubles the duration of a grid-second).

Also, SAYING THINGS IN CAPS DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO ESCAPE LOGIC.

Hmm... this is interesting, It'll be tough to imagine how this'll really turn out..

It only take 20 alpha maels to instapop any subcap in the game. It may make the fight as a whole go fast because splitting fire at the squad level will actually begin to make sense so you don't have as much wasted dps, and a large fleet can take out entire squads of the enemy fleet in a single Volley (200 maels in a 250 man alpha fleet, 200/20= 10, 10 ships in a squad).

I didn't understand why FCs never called multiple targets that way until I got into my first lag fight

This assumption is almost certainly wrong.

With lag you get uncontrolled degradation of the server - pilots manually cycle their guns and many possible shots never occur - pilots keep shooting at targets long after they should be dead - active tanks keep cycling and magically creating EHP out of nothing - Capacitor levels don't decrease etc etc etc.

With controlled server slowing all of these ghost effects will disappear - Guns cycle at their "correct" rate - Pilots will change targets when targets die - targets actually receive damage when shot - Capacitor actually drains at the "correct" rate etc etc.

How this actually pans out in practice is anybody's guess. Please don't pretend that you know the answer.

I find it amusing that the Devs reply to the good summary has more "likes" than the good summary. Some people like to have brown noses.

TD , certainly has the power to get me back into 0.0. I loved huge system battles...unfortunately, I loathed the lag that was associated with it...it always seemed especially bad, for some reason, after expansion deployments

Pretty much that is the only way though for the game to Grow to the vision that was presented.

It is not a question of IF but When [provided Eve will not go belly up of course]

Personally I think instead of optimizing too much it should be written to be compatible with this. I am not exactly familiar with all the issues that eve is facing however this makes programming much easier.

For the non technical this is equivalent of DirectX.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch

You seem to think time dilation needs to slow the system by 50% ... I cannot imagine this being true.

To 'solve lag' you only need to lower the server load by ONE PERCENT; from overloaded to 99% capacity.

For a reduction of 50% to be warranted, the fight needs to be double the capacity of a reinforced node. More importantly, it would speed up as the fight continued.

You all seem to think this is going to be the lobby scene from the matrix (which is slowed by 95-99%) when the real differences will likely be imperceptible without a stopwatch.