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CSM meets CCP Senior Producer Zulu about your concerns

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Raid'En
#121 - 2011-09-09 23:01:55 UTC
good news

hope more infos will be coming soon.
(and "soon" != 2 months, in case CCP don't know)
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#122 - 2011-09-09 23:06:47 UTC
Cearain wrote:

For example I saw they were going to try to get a mechanic in null sec where people can fly smaller ships. Well they already have that mechanic in eve, but it remains broken and abandonned. Faction War plexxing is a mechanic that if it was fixed correctly would allow players to fly all sorts of small ships in very small groups and be effective for a larger end. Its all set and ready to go it just needs some fixing. This would be much more important to me than tweaking ship stats.


Here, here. Those of us in Faction Warfare know that it, in concept at least, is the answer to most of the gripes the nullsec crowd has had enough of.

We've been "ignored' for years now (at least publicity wise) because everyone assumes it is dead or full of noobs, both of which are very much not true.

FW has a thriving small ship pew pew scene, and it always has. Here you will find some of the best AF, inty, pirate frigate/cruiser pilots New Eden has to offer. And those of us that participate also know that ship balancing overall is not really a crisis issue. We've killed and been killed by just about every ship in the game, they all have their uses (except you, Mr. Breacher. You're a piece of crap and really are more of a badly assembled tent than a combat frigate. One of the few minmatar ships that lives up to its scrapheap stereotype)

We do however, gotta get the supercaps outta lowsec. My own militia has the upper hand here, and I still want them gone. (For those of you not familiar - the Minmatar Militia has a Supercap fleet, the Amarr do not, and thus resort to organizing Alliance batphone hotdrops before taking on any of our decent sized fleets these days, out of paranoia. We sit back and laugh when their own batphone caps turn on them after wiping us out, to further increase the killmail count. Its ridiculous.)

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
#123 - 2011-09-09 23:07:06 UTC
Dex Ironmind wrote:

That is the stuff I would like to see the CSM push for in EXPANSIONS - stuff "that cuts across every corner of EVE."

The rebalancing/nerfing/patching/fixing issues need to be reserved for in-between expansion actions.

I would really like to see the CSM press for some immediate patching/balancing implementations, freeing up the winter expansion for something that benefits all of EVE and does not mainly focus on NULL. Frankly, all of the sandbox is hungry for new toys to play with in the sandbox!!! Don't let the winter expansion be just you about the NULL boys and girls.

If null requires an entire expansion, as does low, let it come later. This next expansion needs to be a broad reaching expansion to score some points with their entire player base.

Dex was here. Cool


Rebalancing/patching/fixing would be something for between the releases if there were not some core mechanics that are broken and whose fixes didn't require more time than is available between the releases. Ie, fixes become part of the content, unfortunately.

That said, to people who say it's out of self-interest we focussed on null the limited resources available, that's not true. I live in lowsec, I do mostly small/medium gang PvP and industry. The truth is, large conflicts fuel many things: player movement, ship/module needs (so industrialist have someone to sell their stuff to), they fuel also the player enthusiasm of players, their activity. Right now the decrease in activity in 0.0 is very severe, so things need to be adressed there. And in the meantime we'd like to provide something for industrialists who've been confined forever in highsec something else to look forward to. A shot at gaining more for a bit more risk, something PvEers and PvPers already possess.

Once the most pressing issues on that front are resolved, then I'd like to see lowsec addressed, for instance, and if new content can come, that'd be very welcome too (and by new content I mean adding to what already exists, but in depth, not in breadth).

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7

AnzacPaul
Jump 2 Beacon
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#124 - 2011-09-09 23:09:37 UTC
@CSM, thanks for the minutes (at last). However, from those notes, it appears nothing is of concern at CCP. They don't admit to doing anything wrong at all, apart from bad communication with the CSM. They seem to have no problem deliberately putting nex items @ 3600, 100 aur above the amount required to purchase a plex. This is clearly a scam, no matter which way it is worded. I'm sure you all agree, i'm just confused atthe part where you think CCP are going to listen to you about something that they think isn't an issue?
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#125 - 2011-09-09 23:15:26 UTC
Blah blah blah... Conclusion: If CCP fail to deliver on the winter expansion it is game over.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2011-09-09 23:24:20 UTC
I almost wrote something meaningful, but because forum desided to instawipe my message when I gently pushed the post-button, that story can only be examined in bit heaven.

Oh well - only 3rd time that happened with this new "million manhour project". At least there wasn't error message - maybe that is good thing?

btw ppl... avoid posting percent signs to your messages as they seem to cause BBcode parser errors when quoting/editing .)

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Gypsy RoseLee
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2011-09-09 23:31:18 UTC
Did it tickle when they blew smoke up your ***? Shocked

Sorry, my three subscriptions won't be renewed until we get what Hilmar himself made very clear:

Quote:
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP Management DOES and LESS of what they SAY


Call me when I can actually play FIS fixes/improvements/expansions. Until then, not one god damn dime goes into your coffers.
Dex Ironmind
#128 - 2011-09-09 23:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dex Ironmind
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Rebalancing/patching/fixing would be something for between the releases if there were not some core mechanics that are broken and whose fixes didn't require more time than is available between the releases. Ie, fixes become part of the content, unfortunately.

That said, to people who say it's out of self-interest we focussed on null the limited resources available, that's not true. I live in lowsec, I do mostly small/medium gang PvP and industry. The truth is, large conflicts fuel many things: player movement, ship/module needs (so industrialist have someone to sell their stuff to), they fuel also the player enthusiasm of players, their activity. Right now the decrease in activity in 0.0 is very severe, so things need to be adressed there. And in the meantime we'd like to provide something for industrialists who've been confined forever in highsec something else to look forward to. A shot at gaining more for a bit more risk, something PvEers and PvPers already possess.

Once the most pressing issues on that front are resolved, then I'd like to see lowsec addressed, for instance, and if new content can come, that'd be very welcome too (and by new content I mean adding to what already exists, but in depth, not in breadth).


That is a fair reply Meissa.

You guys are fighting the right fight right now. Get more CCP resources dedicated on EVE ... period!!!

If they do that, that will mean more fixes, more developers to generate new content, etc. I can get on board with that.

I am still not convinced of "the null sec drives EVE argument." If we look at the game that way, the game balance problems will never go away. Each area of EVE's space - HI, LOW, NULL and WH space - need equal attention. To neglect one, in favor of the others, will throw off a different type of balance than ship balance, or risk v. reward balance.

Mind you, I am not sold on the whole risk v. reward balance approach either. That still smacks of "herding" and "endgame" in my mind. That just doesn't translate in a sandbox. The more you do that, the more you are going to fuel things like super-alliances taking control of huge sectors of space, keeping the little guy out (if you give them more ISK to make, then the rich will only become richer). The more you do that, the more you will fuel super-cap warfare over sub-cap warfare (more ISK for bigger ships, right). Risk v. reward is a broken concept.

Focus on just giving NULL guys more things to do out there ... period ... at all levels (beginner, novice, vet). That is EXPANSION, not REDISTRIBUTION. I still say they should make NULL about EMPIRE building. Make the toys, missions, mining, etc. all about building EMPIRES out there and letting them fight over it. Make LOW about PIRACY! Make it the down and dirty part of space. Give pirates a haven and anti-pirates some vigilante work to do. Make HI about the four big empires.

Enough said... Thanks for the reply Meissa.

Dex was here. Cool
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#129 - 2011-09-09 23:38:07 UTC
Vicar2008 wrote:
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said.


At least they are telling us that stuff is happening. I find it irritating when stuff happens and we hear nothing from CCP or CSM.

Hopefully we'll see more messaging from CSM and CCP in the future. Where messaging basically means "telegraphing our activities" without necessarily "narrating our activities". People who engage in hand-to-hand combat such as boxing, Karate or Tae Kwon Do will understand the difference between "telegraphing" and "narrating". It's the same principle as using your indicators when driving a car: you're not actually telling people where you're going, just that you're turning left.

So while "we're having a meeting" might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, it is a start.
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#130 - 2011-09-09 23:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rainus Max
Dex Ironmind wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Dead Horse is one of those proposals that cuts across every corner of EVE, because everyone who has ever had to deal with one knows that POSes are utterly miserable.


That is the stuff I would like to see the CSM push for in EXPANSIONS - stuff "that cuts across every corner of EVE."

The rebalancing/nerfing/patching/fixing issues need to be reserved for in-between expansion actions.

I would really like to see the CSM press for some immediate patching/balancing implementations, freeing up the winter expansion for something that benefits all of EVE and does not mainly focus on NULL. Frankly, all of the sandbox is hungry for new toys to play with in the sandbox!!! Don't let the winter expansion be just you about the NULL boys and girls.

If null requires an entire expansion, as does low, let it come later. This next expansion needs to be a broad reaching expansion to score some points with their entire player base.

Dex was here. Cool


I think the 0.0 changes coming are more needed that low sec, not because I'm in a 0.0 but because I have a reasonable understanding that 0.0 has a fairly hefty impact on empire and lowsec. I agree low sec needs a dam good boost but at a time when 0.0 is being devastated by (retrospectively) bad moves from CCP (Supercaps, Sov Mechanics etc) and a significant chunk of players are rapidly losing interest on both sides.

0.0 might not be important to you individually but if it doesnt get the viagra it needs then the bulk of players will get bored (you only have to look at the 'DRF wars' both sides are bored stupid of the same ending to a battle - except the Russian alliances, they are just in it for the bots), once they start to drop out it starts impacting what happens out there which then filters down and starts damaging empire ice mining, production, research, PI etc. Yes thats probably looking further ahead than Winter, but its better to start fixing those potential problems than 'waste' the effort buffing something that to be quite frankly doesn't have that big an impact on the overall running of Eve.

I will await the general flaming from low sec residents - but I will point out that I agree lowsec does need a overdose of viagra in the near future.
Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
#131 - 2011-09-09 23:54:14 UTC
CSM, please don't forget bug stomping as something on the priority list.
Closer to the top than the bottom.
(Seleene, you'll get my vote if you run again on the "Iterations" platform.)

The paper cuts this week have been getting pretty deep.

e.g.,
- my drones still don't work consistently correctly (the little bastards)
- last night, I couldn't even consistently get Projectile ammo type loaded/switched
- my cargo hold window behavior is less satisfying than it was a week ago
- I've now gotten into the habit of constantly checking that all my modules are still online
- windows won't consistently dismiss when the close control is clicked

Yes, there are work arounds to all these. The point is that I'm now spending a significant amount of game time hitting 'paper cut' bumps and doing the work around rather than straight line playing. It breaks the game-play flow and creates frustration.

Just some irritations from the last couple of days.
The full list is immense.
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#132 - 2011-09-09 23:58:47 UTC
Subscriber drop has nothing to do with "flying in space", it has to do with people losing trust in CCP.

CCP's various so-called apologies haven't regained that trust. Only time will regain that trust, and a refocusing away from fleecing the playerbase back into entertaining the playerbase. Piddle Paddle with the CSM won't change the lack of trust people feel in CCP, both in terms of those who have left and those that are dejected over the debacles of the last few months and who are barely hanging on.

Real content will help mitigate the issue, but only time will win back the hearts and minds of those the company spit in the face of.
Dex Ironmind
#133 - 2011-09-10 00:01:40 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:
I think the 0.0 changes coming are more needed that low sec, not because I'm in a 0.0 but because I have a reasonable understanding that 0.0 has a fairly hefty impact on empire and lowsec. I agree low sec needs a dam good boost but at a time when 0.0 is being devastated by (retrospectively) bad moves from CCP (Supercaps, Sov Mechanics etc) and a significant chunk of players are rapidly losing interest on both sides.

0.0 might not be important to you individually but if it doesnt get the viagra it needs then the bulk of players will get bored (you only have to look at the 'DRF wars' both sides are bored stupid of the same ending to a battle - except the Russian alliances, they are just in it for the bots), once they start to drop out it starts impacting what happens out there which then filters down and starts damaging empire ice mining, production, research, PI etc. Yes thats probably looking further ahead than Winter, but its better to start fixing those potential problems than 'waste' the effort buffing something that to be quite frankly doesn't have that big an impact on the overall running of Eve.

I will await the general flaming from low sec residents - but I will point out that I agree lowsec does need a overdose of viagra in the near future.


I am a predominantly hi sec dweller, low sec roamer. You are correct to say NULL (in its current form) doesn't interest me. I don't disagree with you that NULL needs some serious attention. Senselessly beating up the same apparatus so you can install your own apparatus makes no sense. Its monotony at the highest level.

However, i still feel like they need to include some UNIVERSAL love in this next patch. If that requires pulling everyone they humanly can in CCP into EVE to get it done, then that is what they should do. If they would fix the alliance/corp UI, that impacts all of us. If they would fix POS's, that impacts most of us. Whatever they do, pick something that gives all of us something in the winter expansion. Otherwise, I doubt this angst will not go away anytime soon.

Dex was here. Cool

PS - Whatever they do, don't redistribute between HI/WH and NULL, as has been hinted at. That will only fuel the problem, not fix it.

Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2011-09-10 00:10:53 UTC
I think CCP wants to focus on nul sec first due to the fact that they advertise empire building and owning space as one of the key features of EVE. If they keep promoting that feature what good is it if no one plays in nul sec. Yes low sec and FW need fixing but hopefully if they can fix nul sec, you should a ripple effect across all spectrum's of the game, then they can focus on other aspects of the game that need work.

Riggs

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees

ISquishWorms
#135 - 2011-09-10 00:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISquishWorms
All I want to know is if they are going to put in some time to fix the bugs. It is the bugs that annoy me most while playing Eve.

New content would be great too though.

Waiting in anticipation...

Mara Rinn wrote:
Vicar2008 wrote:
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said.


At least they are telling us that stuff is happening. I find it irritating when stuff happens and we hear nothing from CCP or CSM.

Hopefully we'll see more messaging from CSM and CCP in the future. Where messaging basically means "telegraphing our activities" without necessarily "narrating our activities". People who engage in hand-to-hand combat such as boxing, Karate or Tae Kwon Do will understand the difference between "telegraphing" and "narrating". It's the same principle as using your indicators when driving a car: you're not actually telling people where you're going, just that you're turning left.

So while "we're having a meeting" might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, it is a start.



Totally agree Mara.

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.

Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
#136 - 2011-09-10 00:19:04 UTC
They will need to act fast, because time is running out...
Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2011-09-10 00:24:35 UTC
I'd like to see more Walking in Stations content. The potential is astronomical.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#138 - 2011-09-10 00:33:00 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Vicar2008 wrote:
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said.


At least they are telling us that stuff is happening. I find it irritating when stuff happens and we hear nothing from CCP or CSM.

Hopefully we'll see more messaging from CSM and CCP in the future. Where messaging basically means "telegraphing our activities" without necessarily "narrating our activities". People who engage in hand-to-hand combat such as boxing, Karate or Tae Kwon Do will understand the difference between "telegraphing" and "narrating". It's the same principle as using your indicators when driving a car: you're not actually telling people where you're going, just that you're turning left.

So while "we're having a meeting" might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, it is a start.



Yes...they are telling you they are having meetings. They could tell you they are having ice cream sandwiches on the moon, too. And you have to believe them because...hey...NDA. But I'm sure CCP will vouch for their honesty. Roll

CSM trolls forum-dwellers.
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Dum Spiro Spero

MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#139 - 2011-09-10 01:02:33 UTC
So far we have Meissa, Mittani, Two Step, and a few other CSM delegates (sorry -- can't be bothered to gather all the names) claiming to have had a meeting with one CCP manager, and claiming that good stuff was talked about, and claiming that we'll hear about it, eventually, maybe. 138 posts and 7+ hours later, and not a single CCP person has chimed to confirm even the most basic of facts; like even the meeting occurred, much less that anything substantial was discussed or that anything will be the result of it or even the vaguest of indications when. I predict that none will be forthcoming in the next several days either, seeing as CCP is incapable of staffing for the weekend.

Face it CSM: CCP has absolutely no respect for you, and by extension no respect for the players. They're just trolling you. Quelle surprise

MDD
FadeIN Fr0St
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2011-09-10 01:08:40 UTC
Free trip to Iceland again!!!

Look forward to the Minutes on this we will get in 5-6 months? lol

Meh, we will see if they get this sorted, but I fear CCP has learned if they just wait it out. There will be 3 months of quiet, and 2 weeks of the uproars.

"All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."

Azahni Vah'nos (Best reply ever)