EVE General Discussion

He's the dev, you aren't. His interpretation holds more clout.

So why is insurance fraud no longer happening? If ganking CREATED isk, people would be ganking themselves to create it. (Like they did before the insurance fraud fix)

When you blow up a hauler, he only gets a portion of the isk back from the ship, and about half of his cargo is destroyed.
The end result is A LOT OF ISK GETS REMOVED FROM THE GAME, some of it is transfered to a new owner, and a little goes to the owner of the dead ship.

Perfect example would be that Ibis that was ganked in Jita carrying a couple hundred PLEX.

Incursions are not a MAJOR source of inflation, no. But it IS adding to it. The fact is Incursions are the best PvE isk source in the game. It should never have been that way. It should never have made people more then lvl4's in highsec.

Incursions are just one part of a big problem. I think the major problem is the increased number of carebears in the game all farming isk, never leaving highsec, never risking it in PvP.

The huge increase in the past year, in whine threads about Cloakers, Gankers etc, are evidence the carebear population is growing. These people suckle on the isk faucets. Even after they're 5 years old they're still latching onto that nipple, and they absolutely refuse to leave their highsec house. All these carebears are amassing more and more isk and they're doing nothing with it.

So why is insurance fraud no longer happening? If ganking CREATED isk, people would be ganking themselves to create it. (Like they did before the insurance fraud fix)

When you blow up a hauler, he only gets a portion of the isk back from the ship, and about half of his cargo is destroyed.
The end result is A LOT OF ISK GETS REMOVED FROM THE GAME, some of it is transfered to a new owner, and a little goes to the owner of the dead ship.

Perfect example would be that Ibis that was ganked in Jita carrying a couple hundred PLEX.

Incursions are not a MAJOR source of inflation, no. But it IS adding to it. The fact is Incursions are the best PvE isk source in the game. It should never have been that way. It should never have made people more then lvl4's in highsec.

Incursions are just one part of a big problem. I think the major problem is the increased number of carebears in the game all farming isk, never leaving highsec, never risking it in PvP.

The huge increase in the past year, in whine threads about Cloakers, Gankers etc, are evidence the carebear population is growing. These people suckle on the isk faucets. Even after they're 5 years old they're still latching onto that nipple, and they absolutely refuse to leave their highsec house. All these carebears are amassing more and more isk and they're doing nothing with it.

What? Yet again, you mean? LvL 4's are an easy target that have been nerfed repeatedly over time.

The only thing that needs adjusting there is the excessive, crap meta drops that get churned into minerals. Mining with guns is just screwing legitimate miners (non bots, if there are any around anymore). The bounties are fine.

Small things do not drive overall inflation. Incursions are a bright sparkly object that every idiot in the galaxy is pointing to as the cause of inflation. This even though CCPs released numbers show incursions as a minor issue, and CCP has called incursions a minor issue, people continuing to harp on it. This is distracting from more important discussions. Put bluntly, incursion runners are a bunch of noobs using faction gear to make up for low SPs. Simply put, people feel like they're making good isk per hour running incursions because they have no idea how much their shiny ships could generated in level 4s, and are loosing track of how much time they are spending because they're enjoying being in fleets.

The structural reasons for eve inflation seem to be:

1. Removal of the POS fuel isk sink.
2. Lack of new players to expand the economic base.
3. Increasing number of SPs allowing people to kill large rats faster.
4. Decreasing ability to arbitage items between regions due to suicide ganking.
5. Massive cost increases in the raw resource basket due to a. suicide ganking of miners, b. banning of mining bots and c. increased costs in moving reprocessed minerals from mission hubs (due to suicide ganking).
6. We are transitioning from T2 being at the top of the commonly used mod pile to faction being at the top of the pile.

Of these factors I think the most important ones are 1. The removal of the POS fuel isk sink and 2. the increasing difficulty with arbitage. Quadruple the EHP of barges and freighters and you'll drop the inflation rate.

~20% of all isk injected into the economy is minor!?!

And yes, incursions make more isk per hour than lvl4s. Though you are correct in stating that bounties/mission rewards need hit with the nerf bat in some shape or form.

YOU PAID 5 BIL FOR THOSE MODULES - AND NOW IT WAS DESTROYED! POOF!

I really dont know how to be any more obvious about this.

Blowing up players results in lost isk. You lost isk. Isk sink. Isk gone! TRUST ME - I HAVE A MONOCLE

Do you really think i would have amassed this much wealth and not know the difference? My shirt cost 800 million isk alone.

ITS AN ISK SINK