EVE General Discussion

The number of PLEX traded in in the order of 14k per month, certainly. The number of PLEX introduced into the game and the number of PLEX sunk out of the game will be significantly less than that number. Buy low, sell high: if you examine the market by selling PLEX to buy orders and buying PLEX from sell orders, you will determine in short order who is in the market. It would surprise me to find that more than half of PLEX trades are direct from PLEX seller to PLEX user. I expect the average velocity of PLEX is about 1.7 (and not less than 1.4).

There are around 1-2000 Incursion participants, some of whom will be buying PLEX for multiple accounts. Out of the folks I know, about two thirds are paying for more than one account, and of those most have more than two. So make of that what you will: 1700 incursion participants is already more than 10% of the PLEX trade market, even if only 2/3 of that number was actually PLEXing their account. Each of those participants is likely to be funding multiple accounts with PLEX. I expect that a quite significant portion of the PLEX-buying market will be Incursion-funded accounts with money to burn. My estimate is about 3000 accounts maintained with PLEX substantially paid for with Incursion ISK. No, I don't have stats because I don't have access to the database, and I have asked CCP Diagoras for those figures (though curiously enough, they haven't been provided, who'd have thunk? I'm working on Fermi Estimates based on numbers I do know.

Of the people I run Incursions with, about half are folks either running with their main in a null sec alliance, or running an alt that I know is associated with a null sec alliance character. That is to say that at least half of the people I'm running incursions with are blue or red flagged based on the last standings list I have recorded from my time in null sec.

You have no support for your numbers at all: how many pilots are ratting in null sec? What is the spread of incomes between those pilots? How many of them extend their game time with PLEX.

I was watching PLEX prices closely and noticed the very rapid drop when the Incursion interdiction started, along with the very rapid rise when the interdiction fizzled. Noone had to give up their subscription since the interdiction was so short-lived, but they weren't buying PLEX with the ISK they didn't have.

So people can either take your Incursion-supporting propaganda, or my first-person perspective on the matter. I run Incursions. I run missions. I mine. I pay for a number of accounts with PLEX. My "handful of friends" is roughly 200 pilots in my extended social circles. Some folks only run Incursions to "top up" their PLEX fund. Most PLEX buyers will buy a PLEX when push comes to shove, most have at least one buy order up at optimistic prices (so they don't miss out on a good deal), and a number have multiple PLEX in trade at any time.

The take-home message here: PLEX are generally sold to buy orders in the first instance, with users buying from sell orders. There are approximately 3000 Incursion-funded accounts in the PLEX market. Incursion-funded accounts thus consume about 1/5-1/3 of the PLEX on the market (where Incursion-funded means that more than 100M per PLEX was raised by running Incursions, since the rest is easy to raise with datacores).

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.

Since Darius made Incursions popular with his childish fuss and drama, I've been running them, and its nonsense, you make just as much if not more running lvl 4's.

But Incursions are more fun and while some adjustments are needed, "incursions cause inflation" was quite obviously a "vote Darius for CSM" politically motivated scandal.

So, what's the biggest ingame isk faucet? I though it was currently incursions. Lvl4 missions seem too low payed. W-space Sleepers maybe?

Thankyou for confirming that in your opinion Plex purchases are not simply attributable to incursions as being the main potential contributor to price changes.

Interesting that you quote 1/5, which associates well with the approximate 20% attributable from the apparent ISK apportionments as faucets.

Makes sense on so many levels why Null sec anoms make more ISK.

- More of them
- They drop loot, useable and reproc
- You don't need to transit up to 30 jumps to find them
- You can fit and rig and meta 4 fit PvE Raven for under 25 mill right now. As much as it's all about Inflation, Arbalest Cruise Launchers go for 120K In Jita. There are anough of them there, you could literally fit a 1000 man Raven fleet meta 4 for 750 mill ISK. X-Large C5, same thing, Large F-S9 extenders, same. It's not an e-peen fit but if you want a replaceable PvE boat that's cheap, it will work for the null content.

Interesting claim you make there. Do you have any evidence to support your claim that no miners, industrialists or traders extend their subscription using PLEX?

Where did I claim that?

Where do industrial players get their money from?

Hence why I suggested that transferance of isk in the economy can end up with a plex purchase as mentioned above.

Oh please, we already had this "nerf the anos in null space" kind of thing. You know too well how it worked out. The biggest issue with incursions is not the inflation (though 20% of global isk income is not as trivial as you suggest), it is the risk reward problem they create. They should be a low sec only feature! Just like sleepers are a WH only feature with great risks! But instead of removing incursions from high sec you suggest to **** up the risk reward ratio even further by nerfing ano bounties so that null becomes a wasteland again because everyone goes to high sec in order to farm incursions.

~4.8T in Mission Rewards + Mission Bonuses
~32T in NPC bounty

Rabble rabble nerf hisec rabble rabble.

Nice to see some actual figures, not remotely surprised that the current mega-inflation is a result of Nullsec bounties - i.e Sov Anoms.

'Course, you can't nerf those anoms cause all the nullbears will crycrycry...

I believe someone already drew the correlation you are indicating:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/02/abcs.html