Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the talk about mor ehp for industrials is nice and all, but i think you people forget the new T3 Battlecruiser, being cheap in comparison to a hulk

even if you give the hulk the tankability of a Battlecruiser or even more, T3 BCs will still kill you without any effort, and the prices from hulkageddon would just be raised to have a motivation for hulk gankers

Now, these armed/armoured transports ... how much load capacity do they have (dimensions and/or weight)?

Looking at a standard 40' intermodal container, it has internal capacity of 2385 ft3 (67.5 m3), with a maximum load weight of 57,759 lb. (26,600 kg) (max gross weight is 66,139lb or 30,400 kg) . U.S. Interstate laws restrict a fully loaded truck to a maximum of 80,000 lb (36,000 kg).

Isnt that just a hulk, but with worse resists.

This it he trouble with people commenting on parts of the game they clearly don't participate in or know anything about. It's a complete fallacy that Hulk pilots AFK mine. You wouldn't make ANY money at all, it's just not possible.

Speaking of which, why are so many of the hulks on the killboards fit with cargo expander rigs and modules then?

Tag onto the biggest asteroids in a belt, set a timer, and pull out a good book because you'll be waiting a while for that to fill.

But nobody could make any money AFK mining

I want a mining Drake.

I am willing to reduce high slots to 3, but I want all hulk mining bonuses and capacity.
I am willing to accept only 4,000 m3 cargo, despite the current Hulk having twice that.

Heck, I would be willing to more than double the cost of the Drake, make it 100 million for this.

But I want the above described stats I already posted, already possessed by the Drake.

Actually I'm a miner (with multiple hulk pilots on multiple accounts) and I don't see your point.

I NEVER lost any hulk/orca to a suicide gank EVER, the only ones I lost are stupid mistakes that I took myself (remember to warp to the POS in null-sec, don't go afk on the gate in a hulk).

So again, stop whining, go to hello kitty online.

Hmm.

Perhaps the factions can come out with faction deep space mining vessels.

Here me out here.

So, due to the unrelenting agression faced in deep space, and the negative nature towards industrialists that are currently plaguing the Eve universe, one of the factions descided to begin construction and testing of a more secure mining vessel than what ORE was currently providing. However, through spying and other means, the other factions cought on to the idea, and a race began for each faction to create a deep space mining vessel.

Due to the rights that ORE had on their designs and the immense amount of time creating an entirely new vessel would take, the factions decided to modify existing combat platforms of their own fleets.

The outcome was an entirely new line of what used to be considered battleship class vessels.
They were dubbed "Battle Barges".

Unlike mining barges and exhumers, their cargoholds weren't as large, and they didn't yield as much precisious ores, but the factions had designed them to not only mine, but to tank and defend themselves against rats and pod pilots alike.

new skill
Racial Battle Barge (each faction has a skill)
Requires Mining barges lvl 5, racial battleship lvl 3.

They're an alternate t2 battleship, but since they're not specifically battleships, they don't require bs 5. They're also based off the tier 3 battleship hulls.

Each ship has a reduction bonus allowing them to fit strip miners, ice harvesters, deep core miners, and gas harvesters.
They have 3 slots available specifically for mining, to which standard turrets and launchers cannot be fitted.

Each lvl of mining barges gives a bonus towards yield.
Each lvl of racial specific bs gives a bonus towards damage and tracking of turrets/launchers.
Each lvl of battle barge increases resistances.

The ships will be using racial guns, but will also recieve a bonus towards "racial" drones.

They don't have a lot of dps, but they can defend themselves and they are a good bit tanky.

Each ship has a set amount of cargohold, which can only be increased with cargo rigs or expanded cargoholds.

Someone else can figure the slot layouts for these things, but I was thinking 3 for mining, 4 for turrets/launchers.
They're not bonused towards dps like a marauder or pirate bs, but sufficient enough dps to eliminate pesky rats.

Now, these fit well because ORE doesn't design heavy ships, just simple industrial ships for more secure areas. So it would be up to the factions to design industrial ships for hostile envornments, and they wouldn't take the time to design a completely new ship.

Now, how they fit in the balance world is that they're limited to racial specific defenses and weaponry.
While they do fit 3 miners, they don't mine near as much as exhumers, and probably less yield than even a Covetor, but not by a whole lot.
However, they make up for the lack of yield and cargohold with added defense and offense. They're not stacked in a way that they can go out pvp'ing, or even running complexes, but they are capable of taking care of themselves.

Since they're t2 ships, and since they're battleships, they'll also be more costly than an exhumer( I would put them in the 300-400 mil range), but their risk vs reward factor would payoff, expecially since they have the versatility to be able to mine anything.

Like I said, someone else can figure out their fits, holds, and whatever else, but I feel that these would be a very welcome site in eve, however, they wouldn't be as cost effective for a high sec miner, so exhumers would still be much more popular in high sec.

These would be great for low sec mining fleets, null sec mining fleets and null sec solo mining, but would also preform quite well in wh space mining, solo and fleeted.
Like I said though, due to their smaller holds, lower yield, over compensation in tank and dps, and their costs, they wouldn't be too popular for most high sec miners. They would be able to make much more money buying a hulk for less isk and better yield, So it balances things out.

should I start a new thread for my Battle Barges idea??

I had a lot more to say, breaking down your post line by line, but then i realized i dont care that much,

you exaggerate the desires of the op and the rest of the posters in this thread.

basically what is wanted is a buff to the hulks defenses, not to make ganking impossible, just harder.
the lack of insurance on the vehicle means we take a vastly disproportional amount of loss in isk then the ganker. flying t2 its understood that the risk is on our side but the lack of defenses in the face of other ships offensive buffs means that less and less is needed to defeat the defenses we can fit.

a mining ship update would be nice, either in the form of a rebalance of the existing ones or another set of ships.

so far there hasnt been much in terms of constructive counter arguments,
"stay aligned" is not a mining term. an active align gives the hulk one cycle on a set of asteroids before it is out of range. it will also outdistance an orca in this time. nor does this advice apply in the slightest to mackinaws, another ship which is badly in need of help.

to translate this to something you would understand, your rapier cant use its webs unless its got its cyno on


the problem is that the consequences in most first world countries are a lot steeper then in hisec
if i got only a 15 minute time out for trashing peoples suvs on the highway in my accord it would be a very different highway. something that Mel Gibson would make a movie about.

however being that this is a game, and not supposed to represent, illuminate or fully replicate real life, some {additional} balance should be added to deal with what has become a relatively cheap profession. since the change in insurance payouts to not include gank ships it had become not as profitable to gank hulks in hisec, however with the ship additions of the tier 3 bc and the recent buff to destroyers it may very well be.
as the recent interdiction of ice campaigns has shown it is relatively easy to kill large numbers of these uninsureable ships. adding buffer to be able to survive in what is supposed to be secured space by an attack of a ~1.2 million isk fitted ship does not seem unreasonable on a ship that costs between 225 and 230 million. this in itself is a game balance issue

i made the comparison of t2 ships and survivability before in response to the rapier vs hulk comparison that someone put forth. tanking a phobos while still allowing it to fulfill its primary role is exceptionally easy. sure it will still die but it requires a much much larger isk investment ratio. this is not true of a hulk, or any of the barge lines.


it is funny that the roles are reversed in eve and real life no? the most dangerous place for a hulk is in hisec not null. armored vehicles are used where ever there is a threat to the saftey of the crew. in this case it would be hisec