Player Features and Ideas Discussion

EHP = shield HP / (1 - .01((exp resist % + kin resist % + em resist % + therm resist %) / 4 )) + armor HP / (1 - .01((exp resist % + kin resist % + em resist % + therm resist %) / 4 )) + hull HP / (1 - .01 * hull resist %)

.01 is because resist is in percentage from 0 to 100% and dividing by 4 is to average the resists. If you want EHP assuming only EM and therm damage you put only those into the formula and divide by 2 instead of 4.

If you were doing omni damage on a ship that has 50,000 EHP, you'd have to do 50,000 damage to kill it (neglecting shield recharge, shield boost, armor repair, and hull repair).

Structure resist is of course either 0% or anywhere from 45% to 60% across the board depending on if you're using a DCU and what kind.

That's what my point is. Asteroid belts should be considerably more hazardous than a parking lot outside a grocery store.

Their should be a persistent and chaotic cloud of dust and debris caused by the mining, and ships not designed to endure in these places should not do well at all.

I'd also suggest that the environment of the asteroid belt provide additional risk for miners as well, just risk that their ships are better suited to handling. Maybe there could be some implementation similar to the gas cloud for mercoxit mining.

I dont really see the problem here, ganking was always in eve and will ever be, just like can flipping and ninja salvaging
I personally dont want a second WoW where high sec means 100% secure and fighting cant occure

this is not how eve works, worked, or ever should work, eve is a pvp game in every part and shouldn't be nerfed to no-pvp zones and pvp zones

learn to live with the risk of getting killed everywhere and the most important of everything:

>>>Dont fly what you can't afford to lose<<<

So all he asks for is that he can carebear without risk in EVE. That is not EVE, deal with the possibility of being ganked or leave.

I find it usually takes 4-5. Something most people probablhy don't realise is that I've been on both sides of suicide ganking. Thrashers were almost always our weapon of choice. 5 medium drones as defence will not be enough to save a hulk, not by a long way. As has already been pointed out on this thread, 20K EHP doesn't equate to 20K actualy hit points. EHP is just an average that's been worked out, it doesn't apply to reality.

Oh, and for all of those saying Industria' ships aren't supposed to ever be well armoured, almost as if this is a given fact. I'd say to them, look at real life examples like The Royal Engineers. They are a heavily armored engineer division specifically there to undertake large scale engineering projects in war zones. So to suggest that a well armored mining ship is unrealistic, is just nonsense.

But ORE barges are shield tanks

Thing is while the Royal Engineers (or the Army Corps of Engineers for that matter) are set up and equipped to be doing engineering projects in warzones, their equipment is possibly "sub-par" to the civilian equivalent designed to to the same task.

Mining Barges are effectively "civilian" grade excavators -- able to move huge amounts of dirt/rock/whatever ... but effectively "paper thin". Same as RL excavators, you can get *some* armour (well, shields ... they are shield tanks after all) on them ... at the expense of what they can move. However, the armour that's added on to these things will never be as resilient as a vehicle that is designed from the beginning to be heavily armoured (battleship, tank, etc).

They absolutely need to be used in "safe"(ish) areas. However, with the current mechanics in EVE, there is no "good" way to make a hisec belt "safe" enough to make mining anything more than a game of chance. No matter what happens to barge/exhumer HP, this won't change -- there needs to be a way to strike at hostile persons first, without simply getting concorded.

Nobody seems to have pointed this out but the Hulk fits listed before, had a shield tank of around 26k EHP.

Doesnt seem that much does it.

Then you consider something like a Rapier, a dedicated combat vessel has between 24k and 30k EHP.

Oh look a hulk has a better tank than my Rapier, onoes its a dedicated combat ship, this is unfair, nerf Hulks.

It also has a lower sig, nerf huuuuuuuuuulks.

Trolling aside 30k EHP isnt that bad really, so the tank on the hulk is fine when I look at it TBH

For ref;

[Hulk, Hulk]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Small Shield Extender II

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

26k EHP

[Rapier, Solo ]
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Stasis Webifier II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x4
Valkyrie II x2

24k EHP

The Navy doesn't have just one guy manning a battle ship either. Let's not waste time with lame reasoning.

That is a ridiculous comparison. For a start a Rapier will have many more slots that not just help with maintaining it's HP, but also avoiding getting hit in the first place.