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Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 11
Seb Seba Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation Likes received: 11	#61 - 2012-03-11 11:58:08 UTC 1 Pak Narhoo wrote: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Edit:. Learn to scout too. And no. Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers? WTF is wrong with your head dumbass.

Valei Khurelem

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#62 - 2012-03-11 12:00:44 UTC

Seb Seba wrote:

Pak Narhoo wrote:

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Edit:.
Learn to scout too.
And no.

Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers?
WTF is wrong with your head dumbass.

Careful now, I got banned once for calling players who took this game too seriously morons :P wouldn't want to see the same happen to you too.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." - CCP Ytterbium

Sunshine and Lollipops 27,526
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#63 - 2012-03-11 12:03:00 UTC Seb Seba wrote: Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers? Yes? So you learn how to scout.

Doomheim 4
Kale deCoste Doomheim Likes received: 4	#64 - 2012-03-11 12:03:53 UTC Seb Seba wrote: Pak Narhoo wrote: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Edit:. Learn to scout too. And no. Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers? WTF is wrong with your head dumbass. lmao. scouting jita

Jaroslav Unwanted

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#65 - 2012-03-11 12:06:08 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Seb Seba wrote:

Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers?

Yes? So you learn how to scout.

scout jump in the system +0,6 +

look at D-scan

only 160 gank-able ships on D-scan

launch combat probe

check all of those 160 ships

scan them what they have

in that time another 160 comes in and some from those previously scanned 160 ships move out..

And you continue from point 3 in circles.. that would be AWESOME.

Freighter will never even undock because there is nill chance to get proper intel in meaningfull time.

XJennieX

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#66 - 2012-03-11 12:31:32 UTC

good to see there is discussion of post i made even though majority seems to be ones who do the freighter ganking and are very loud to defend things staying as they are. like i said i have not been ganked in freighter nor is any of my friends, also i admit i have not ganked any freighters myself. other stuff yes. i have sampled how fun it is to suicide some haulers in bc or mining boats in icebelt with smartbomb bs. good fun in all but doesnt change a fact of too much ease on suiciding freighters that are unable to do anything about it. if it only would be people who are dumb and using autopilots sure why the hell not, but there is so little you can do to protect yourself even when activiliy on keyboard and moving freighter.

jump freighters are good counter ofc like was stated, bit expensive but in long run can save you from big loss and tears/ragequit but i dont think freighters should be rendered completely obsolete..

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#67 - 2012-03-11 12:36:04 UTC

Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

scout jump in the system +0,6 +

look at D-scan

only 160 gank-able ships on D-scan

…pick a different route, check gates, locate other scouts.

What you described was the work required by the ganker scout (if he's a bit thick). The work for the freighter scout isn't nearly as hard. Also, I'd probably use the word “gank-capable”, since “gankable” is what the freighter is without his scouting buddy… Blink

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Alara IonStorm Likes received: 5,477	#68 - 2012-03-11 12:40:15 UTC Tippia wrote: What you described was the work required by the ganker scout (if he's a bit thick). The work for the freighter scout isn't nearly as hard. Also, I'd probably use the word “gank-capable”, since “gankable” is what the freighter is without his scouting buddy… How do you see logged off Gank Capable Ships on your D-Scan?


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#69 - 2012-03-11 12:45:39 UTC Alara IonStorm wrote: How do you see logged off Gank Capable Ships on your D-Scan? You mean those ships that will take longer to arrive than it takes for you to get into warp? You spot their spotter, and figure out the rest.


Alara IonStorm Likes received: 5,477	#70 - 2012-03-11 12:49:23 UTC Tippia wrote: You mean those ships that will take longer to arrive than it takes for you to get into warp? Not long enough. Tippia wrote: You spot their spotter, and figure out the rest. I too am glad their are no modules in this game that make you invisible.

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#71 - 2012-03-11 13:05:29 UTC

Alara IonStorm wrote:

Not long enough.

If you're no longer there by the time they arrive, it's long enough, and since you do, it is.

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I too am glad their are no modules in this game that make you invisible.

You are referring the module that means you cannot actually spot a good gank because you give up the ability to check the contents of the ship, I take it? Well, as luck would have it, it means the gankers' spotter can't spot a good gank. If he tries, you spot him, and figure out the rest.

Investtan Inc. The Republic. 80
Im Super Gay Investtan Inc. The Republic. Likes received: 80	#72 - 2012-03-11 13:34:30 UTC \| Edited by: Im Super Gay 1 1 put the expensive stuff you want to haul in cans/freight containers 2 contract the cans of stuff to an alt 3 have the alt courier contract the cans of stuff to back you 4 fly immne to ****** cargo scanners

Renturu

In Glorium et Decorum

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#73 - 2012-03-11 13:48:12 UTC

We've found its not enough just to scout... now with cloaking that some gank fleets implement. We also have a Web assist along as well. Web the freighter/ go to warp mush faster.

It just all comes down to proper planning and paying attention. Same thing goes for gankers... you get the tasty targets and kill 'em fast if you plan and pay attention.

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Splinter Foundation 1,770
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation Likes received: 1,770	#74 - 2012-03-11 14:05:24 UTC Seb Seba wrote: Pak Narhoo wrote: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Edit:. Learn to scout too. And no. Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers? WTF is wrong with your head dumbass. /checks head. Hmm nothing as far as I can see. I also never got ganked in my freighter or JF. Either I got lucky (a lot) or I did something right.

Herr Wilkus

Aggressive Salvage Services LLC

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#75 - 2012-03-11 16:49:05 UTC

Mr Epeen wrote:

Andski wrote:

Mr Epeen wrote:

!2 Tornadoes fitted is well under half a billion ISK.

Tornado hull at Jita sells is 52,250,000.00 ISK.

Multiply that by 12 and it's far from "well under half a billion ISK." Especially fitted.

next

You don't buy them. You build them. And they build for what I said. Only a moron corp (and a freighter gank is a corp thing not a pick up game) would buy them.

Used to be I could have courier contracts up to 1.2B collateral picked up in minutes. Now even a low as 700m sit for hours and up to a day before someone grabs them. That should tell you something.

Mr Epeen Cool