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Ender Karazaki
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-10 06:44:23 UTC
I've been playing for around a week now. I'm finding the pace of the skill training to be a bit frustrating but I'm told it gets better with time. However, I'm especially looking farward to some PVP, and in preperation I've been trying my hand at missioning. But, they seem so easy that I feel I'm not learning anything but level 2 missions are just a tad too hard atm. So what is the best place to learn the basics of PvP combat?

Also, what are the best habbits to develop and what are the most common habbits to avoid?
karina wolf
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-10 07:52:32 UTC
-remember to group ur guns/launchers

-hotkeys help alot

-best ship to learn pvp is the mighty 'friendship'


Train up all the core support skills, its alittle annoying to do it since u have 101other skills u prolly want, but most support skills work on all ships, so u will benefit insanly from doing it, atleast to lvl 4.

Also level 2 missions are easily done in an assault frig,and shouldnt be to hard to train for anyway
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#3 - 2012-03-10 11:48:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
You are Minmatar, so train yourself into both Arti & AC Thrashers. You can be pretty effective as a new guy with low skills if you focus on skilling for a specific ship. The Thrasher is a pretty nice destroyer that can take on a wide range of T2 & faction frigs that you will find out in null & low sec.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#4 - 2012-03-10 12:06:25 UTC
Ender Karazaki wrote:
I've been playing for around a week now. I'm finding the pace of the skill training to be a bit frustrating but I'm told it gets better with time. However, I'm especially looking farward to some PVP, and in preperation I've been trying my hand at missioning. But, they seem so easy that I feel I'm not learning anything but level 2 missions are just a tad too hard atm. So what is the best place to learn the basics of PvP combat?


The best way to learn anything in this game is to get into a corp. You're probably running missions for isk and since your interest seems to be in the "human interactive" play then the best thing you can do for yourself right now is get in a corp.

You may be able to learn what you're looking for in a faction warfare team or some kind of low-sec corp that does active PVP, including small gang roaming. What you don't want is to get into a corp that camps gates full time. Full time gate camping corps make a lot of kills but won't be able (or willing) to teach you how to PVP in a broader sense. For that you need to find a corp that sets up small gangs to go find and kill other small gangs.

Whatever solution you choose, one thing is clear above all else. It's hard as hell to learn the finer points of this game alone and you need to get in a corp if you want to shorten the learning curve.

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Also, what are the best habbits to develop and what are the most common habbits to avoid?

This is a really hard question to answer fully in a couple of sentences on a forum. I will repeat my advice to get into a corp where you can ask this and the other 10,000 questions you're going to have to someone who is in a position to help you in real-time.

T-
cratais
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-10 23:09:58 UTC
E-Uni is a good place they will teach you the basics on how to survive in eve they also do roams into low sec and nullsec so you can learn the basics of operating in a fleet and there is also Agony who offer pvp courses just got to go to their website and see if any are opened at the moment I have never had the chance to join one of their classes since anytime they have a class it always ends up being on a weekend I have to work but they also have a wiki with lots of good information that you can read and of course there is also plenty of youtube videos that will give you tips on pvp
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2012-03-10 23:45:39 UTC
Let me tell you right now... These will 8 hour trains and such, are nothing. Wait till all your skills are nearly 20+ days long. =P

Read as much as you can, look around the forums, especially the new pilot section. You will find a lot of guides and youtube videos that can really put into perspective whats going on, and what you need to know, especially related to PVP. EVE is one of those games where you can play for over a year, and keep learning new things each time you fly. I know, because I still do every time I get into a fight! Good luck, and always ask questions, there are surprisingly a lot of nice people flying around. (They mighy blow you up first, but can give you great advice on why you got kaboomed.) Good luck!
Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#7 - 2012-03-11 18:13:15 UTC
Ender Karazaki wrote:
So what is the best place to learn the basics of PvP combat?


Agony Unleashed classes.

Low security space, in a zippy frigate, with or without friends.

Red vs Blue

As to good habits? Learn to hit the Dscan button constantly. Read a lot. Learn from your fights.

http://herdingwolves.wordpress.com/
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-11 19:51:58 UTC
In regards to learning pvp

- Fly frigates until you got the basics right and till u can afford to lose more expensive stuff
- Don't be afraid to lose - cause U will lose all the time initially
- Consider joining a training corp/organisation like Red vs Blue or eve University
- Check out Eve pvp videos (go to 'my eve' section of this forum, also check my signature)

Hi
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#9 - 2012-03-11 21:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Everyone keeps saying to fly frigs but IMO they over look the fact that 80% of the frigs you find in space these days are faction or T2. It's very hard to find straight up T1 vs T1 frig fights while out roaming around low sec or null sec. Even in Faction Warfare it's very hard for new guys to get fights with other T1 frigs.

RvB is sort of ok, but when I had a alt in it, it was pretty much just guys from each side trying to gank one another , by baiting on the stations or gates. You could of course get arranged 1v1's very easy which was pretty nice and gives a new guy a good opportunity to find t1 frig fights.

The draw back is most "good" T1 frig fits still require a pretty high level of skills for fitting requirements, usually on the power & CPU side.. Other wise you end up just flying a gimped ship that will almost always die to a guy with higher skills.

This is the reason our corp puts new guys into Thrashers because even with T1 fittings and low skills they are pretty damn effective ships. Much less you can fit out a T1 Arti or AC fit Thrasher for around 2 million ISK that is capable of killing Faction or T2 frigs once you learn how to properly pilot it.
Ender Karazaki
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-12 09:17:23 UTC
Thanks everyone.

I've been looking online and watching videos over the weekend, and the volume of information is a bit daunting and it's beginning to dawn on me how much I've got to learn. I am also begining to see that most of my time in eve will be taken up by trying to make ISK. I don't mind doing that too much as there are various ways to make ISK and it's a matter of chosing a specific path to specialize in since my lack of skills will restrict me. ATM I'm favouring doing missions to give me a better feel for the controls until I finally get into my Rifter and do some exploration. I'm having trouble getting a UI layout that I'm comfortable with. My eyes tend to be focusing mostly on the overview rather than the game environment which is a bit odd for a 3d game. My main problem with the UI is the clutter, especially when exploring and even after tinkering with it for over an hour it seems akward.

I'm still looking for my first corp and have refused a few offers from newly created corp and will likely choose Uni but I will take some time over it since I don't want my first Corp to be a bad experience for me.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2012-03-12 10:13:40 UTC
Ender Karazaki wrote:
Thanks everyone.

I've been looking online and watching videos over the weekend, and the volume of information is a bit daunting and it's beginning to dawn on me how much I've got to learn. I am also begining to see that most of my time in eve will be taken up by trying to make ISK. I don't mind doing that too much as there are various ways to make ISK and it's a matter of chosing a specific path to specialize in since my lack of skills will restrict me. ATM I'm favouring doing missions to give me a better feel for the controls until I finally get into my Rifter and do some exploration. I'm having trouble getting a UI layout that I'm comfortable with. My eyes tend to be focusing mostly on the overview rather than the game environment which is a bit odd for a 3d game. My main problem with the UI is the clutter, especially when exploring and even after tinkering with it for over an hour it seems akward.

I'm still looking for my first corp and have refused a few offers from newly created corp and will likely choose Uni but I will take some time over it since I don't want my first Corp to be a bad experience for me.


Eve Uni might be okay for a little while, but I wouldn't stick around with them for too long. Their rules and e-honor system is so stupid it makes me vomit in my mouth. I also can't tell you how many pilots of theirs that have been killed with terribly fitted ships. That tells me that in many ways the mentoring is sub-par, or those pilots were just too dumb to do any research.

If you wanted some good starting capital to get out there, do some PVP and learn alot, just buy a $15 PLEX and sell it on the market. You should be able to get about 470ish Mil ISK for it. That's a boatload of T1 frigs/destroyers/cruisers to help you coast while you figure things out and get into ships or some sort of business to generate decent income. Starting out the game broke as hell really sucks, and I wish I'd done this when I started. I would've taken more risks and learned more at a far rapid pace than I did when I was too afraid to lose a ship. Thank god those days are gone :D
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#12 - 2012-03-12 11:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dradius Calvantia
A thread recently popped up on the EVE sub Reddit asking a very similar question to yours. I was greatly impressed with the reply that it got so I'll just link you there.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/qsa2j/newb_here_need_a_guide_or_something_to_start_me/

The respondent was kind enough to neatly organize a pretty extensive list of resources covering most aspects of EVE life. I am sure that you will find these links to be useful.

I have to second the advice to find a good corp to help you get your start. Not only will your corp mates be a useful source of knowledge, but being part of an organization which has its own goals and ambitions is a very good way to find a starting place in the social fabric of EVE. This game is about the interactions between players (Economic, Political, and Combative) so anything you can do to become more involved in those interactions is a good thing.

Do not fall into the trap of playing this game in a vacuum. To many EVE players spend their time doing nothing but running missions or plexes for NPC generated isk to stockpile in their wallet and never actually interact with other players in any meaningful way. They are missing out on 99% of EVE.

One last piece of advice, you never stop learning things about this game. I currently have around 2000 small gang PVP kills to my name and I still feel like I have only scratched the surface of EVE combat.
WARBRO
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#13 - 2012-03-12 14:33:32 UTC
If you want to learn pvp in a hurry...join Red vs Blue...i joined up Friday and logged on once a day and always had fights. All the people there are very helpful.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#14 - 2012-03-12 14:37:33 UTC
WARBRO wrote:
If you want to learn pvp in a hurry...join Red vs Blue...i joined up Friday and logged on once a day and always had fights. All the people there are very helpful.


Just keep in mind, RvB is a very sheltered PvP environment and, while it will help you learn the basics of PvP, it won't be representative of a lot of the other types of PvP EVE Online has to offer.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#15 - 2012-03-12 14:49:40 UTC
Join Eve Uni...should be able to get you started. Learning Pvp on your own without some sort of mentor is very challenging in this game. RvB can provide tons of basic experience but they wont teach you much initially.

nom nom
WARBRO
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#16 - 2012-03-12 21:36:33 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
WARBRO wrote:
If you want to learn pvp in a hurry...join Red vs Blue...i joined up Friday and logged on once a day and always had fights. All the people there are very helpful.


Just keep in mind, RvB is a very sheltered PvP environment and, while it will help you learn the basics of PvP, it won't be representative of a lot of the other types of PvP EVE Online has to offer.


All true, but it is a great start point as there is nearly zero barrier to entry.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#17 - 2012-03-12 21:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Join Eve Uni...should be able to get you started. Learning Pvp on your own without some sort of mentor is very challenging in this game. RvB can provide tons of basic experience but they wont teach you much initially.


How often are Eve Uni classes conducted? For example, is one topic taught once a couple weeks? Or a month?

My observation of most people wanting to learn PVP is they fall into the habit of waiting on a more senior pilot to lead them into the battlefield. I see this everywhere I go.

Don't wait on anybody to create the content for you.

Train Self-awareness to level 5 to help you recognize when you fall into this trap.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#18 - 2012-03-12 23:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Deen Wispa wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Join Eve Uni...should be able to get you started. Learning Pvp on your own without some sort of mentor is very challenging in this game. RvB can provide tons of basic experience but they wont teach you much initially.


How often are Eve Uni classes conducted? For example, is one topic taught once a couple weeks? Or a month?

My observation of most people wanting to learn PVP is they fall into the habit of waiting on a more senior pilot to lead them into the battlefield. I see this everywhere I go.

Don't wait on anybody to create the content for you.

Train Self-awareness to level 5 to help you recognize when you fall into this trap.


This I can agree with 100%.. It's not just a new player issue either as I've seen many older vets that wouldn't undock to go find PVP for themselves but expected others to lead them all the time.

The good thing is the OP is asking where to learn, the next step is just take the ball and go for it. If you want Rifter fights, then go to busy trade hubs like Jita 4.4 or Rens top station, drop cans and rename them T1 frig 1v1. I did this once with a noob alt that was 3 months old and collected over 30 KM's his first month of PVPing.

It's a great way to learn basics of PVPing with Rifters and it lets you control who & what you fight. You might get occasional bad sport that will use a RR ship but for most part I didn't have that happen.

Best thing, is you are already at a trade hub so reshipping is easy and your pod is safe in high sec so use some +3% gunnery implants to help out with your lower skills. Learn by doing this but don't hump stations too long as you will become a bitter **** talker in local.. (all station humpers do it Lol ) Go out once you get a grasp for frig fighting and roam around looking for fights.
cratais
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-03-12 23:11:24 UTC
When I was in the E-Uni they had a class everyday or two covering different aspects of the game sometimes there may even be two classes in one day they aren't a pvp training corp but they do teach the mechanics of how different things work in pvp like how tracking works or how a micro warp drive works along with many other different mechanics its not just pvp focused stuff they teach all aspects of the game so depending on what you want to do be it pvp, industry ,trade ,wormholes PI,hauling or what ever else there is to do in the game the classes consits of a half hour to hour lecture where the instructor or guess speaker will explain how whatever they are teaching works then after that depending on what the class was about they have a practical where you go out into space where they show you how what they was just talking about actually works.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#20 - 2012-03-13 00:22:17 UTC
Get the SISI launcher, go on sisi, join chat channel MoveMe type moveme, buy whatever ship you want (and can fly), fit it, go die in a fire, learn, take experiece to TQ, OWN ****!

Best way to learn as you've got risk-free PvP.
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