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XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#81 - 2012-04-19 14:47:32 UTC
Join a crappy renter alliance, they won't defend you and as long as your corp pays the bills they don't care how many times the bears die. If you want to be part of a cohesive alliance you have to be willing to be part of the fold and all aspects of it.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#82 - 2012-04-19 15:18:57 UTC
Lovelocke wrote:
Well I'll be doing a slight necro on this as I've only just seen it. Apologies! I am this chaps old CEO. I thought I would clear a few things up.

First of all he wasn't blacklisted. At least, I didn't blacklist him. He didn't do anything in corp to warrant being blacklisted. There are two blacklist entries for him, one which was there before we recruited him which states he is a possible spy - something I doubt he is - and the last one is that he is a "huge pubbie swearword". Neither of these entries are from me and both are only advisory which means any corp in the CFC can still recruit him, just to be careful.

Now, why did I kick him? To put it simply he was kicked because he genuinely believed that his ratting taxes were a wholly legitimate contribution to the corp and that because he ratted 24/7 he was exempt from having to go on fleets. There are a few problems with this; first of all, we're in a SOV holding alliance and you don't get SOV by ratting all day - you have to fight for it. Secondly his attitude was directly against corp policy; we only recruit people who want to PvP. We don't have CTA's or minimum monthly kills or anything like that but we only recruit those who express an interest in PvP'ing. If in a recruitment interview the first question someone asks us is "have you got anywhere good to rat?" he will get instantly rejected.

It's not that we even go hardcore omgwtf y u no fleet and check each member each month to check they're PvP'ing, we sort of just go with the flow and appreciate not everyone can PvP all the time. It's when people bring themselves to our attention when we begin laying down the long arm of the law and in this case Azemar continually lost ratting ships and it was eventually noticed by people in the alliance. "Who is this j4g swearword?" they would ask me. Then in corp my corpies began questioning him, "y u use hyperion to rat lol" etc and it was his "my taxes pay my way" opinion openly shared in corp which earned him his kick.

Azemar, you need to join a renting corporation. I told you when I kicked you that bounty taxes are not considered a valid contribution and it's unlikely any SOV holding corp will let you in, especially now you've made this thread giving yourself a public... what's the opposite of decoration? Anyway, you belong in a renter corp. You join, pay your dues and you can be the allstar nullsec PvE'er you've always dreamed of becoming.


I figured that this was pretty much the whole thing in a nutshell.

For those that don't understand from a Null Sec corps point of view, think about from the average Null Sec pilots point of view.

You are out there doing your thing. Hostiles enter the area and you drop what you are doing to form up and clear the area out. So does everyone else... except THAT guy.

Instead, THAT guy keeps right on ratting. He fully expects you to protect him, lose ships, and devote your time to protecting Sov so that he can make money uninterrupted.

It might be different if this particular character of his was known to be his industrial alt, dedicated to putting out product for the benefit of the corp. But no, this is his main, and he produces nothing for the corp. He has no PVP alt.

He is a leach who feels you are there simply to enable him to make ISK for his character, nothing more. He is using you and your corp mates, and gets offended if you try to tell him thats not the way things work in Null.

This is one of the most common ways for a person to get booted out of your typical Null Sec corp, and generally speaking if the corp leadership doesn't boot him the rest of the pilots in the corp eventually take matters into their own hands.

NPC Null is indeed the best area for this type of player to move to, where he can learn the value of actually helping to maintain the safety that a Sov holding entity provides.

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#83 - 2012-04-19 15:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
But but but... He was the most awesome sauce ratter to ever exist in eve! And to such an extent that other players would quake in fear when they saw him ratting in system!

But seriously... If Lovelocke's description of the situation is valid (and I'm inclined to believe it is), then I really do not understand what it is that the OP is confused about in the first place.

PS: This thread can only make things worse for you OP. :/
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-04-19 15:37:26 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
But but but... He was the most awesome sauce ratter to ever exist in eve! And to such an extent that other players would quake in fear when they saw him ratting in system!

But seriously... If Lovelocke's description of the situation is valid (and I'm inclined to believe it is), then I really do not understand what it is that the OP is confused about in the first place.

PS: This thread can only make things worse for you OP. :/



It was probably the fact that he did not know what he was blacklisted for. Some people tend to worry about that kind of thing.

So the op has achieved what he wanted to achieve in part thanks to Lovelocke.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#85 - 2012-04-19 15:43:29 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
But but but... He was the most awesome sauce ratter to ever exist in eve! And to such an extent that other players would quake in fear when they saw him ratting in system!

But seriously... If Lovelocke's description of the situation is valid (and I'm inclined to believe it is), then I really do not understand what it is that the OP is confused about in the first place.

PS: This thread can only make things worse for you OP. :/



It was probably the fact that he did not know what he was blacklisted for. Some people tend to worry about that kind of thing.

So the op has achieved what he wanted to achieve in part thanks to Lovelocke.


Alright, I can understand looking at it that way.
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#86 - 2012-04-19 17:19:56 UTC
As said your tax aint worth ****, the tech moons that need to be defended are making 7billion + a month...

Sorry but why should they let you in, let you run sites when you never risk any isk to help defend the space or help the alliance?

You are just taking isk away from people who are losing carriers, battleships, etc.

They do not get any tax on that deadspace "lootz"
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-04-19 17:47:22 UTC
I'm an indy trading carebear but I don't find it that difficult to understand why a null sec corp doesn't want a non-teamplayer.

Money generally isn't an issue, it's pilots. While they're out defending their space, you hanging back throwing pennies into the corp wallet.

They want to play their way, you want to play your way. Find a way for you to do what you want that doesn't require being a drag to another person's play-style.

In null, good-will and isk only helps so much.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#88 - 2012-04-19 17:58:06 UTC
Barakach wrote:
I'm an indy trading carebear but I don't find it that difficult to understand why a null sec corp doesn't want a non-teamplayer.

Money generally isn't an issue, it's pilots. While they're out defending their space, you hanging back throwing pennies into the corp wallet.

They want to play their way, you want to play your way. Find a way for you to do what you want that doesn't require being a drag to another person's play-style.

In null, good-will and isk only helps so much.


I used to see it all the time in the ASCN... Would be like over a thousand alliance members online, and only 50 would show up as a defense fleet.

And look what happened to the ASCN. ;)
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-04-19 18:32:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Dravius
Azemar wrote:
Im not a bot? Man even on the forums people are hostile. I dont get it

Based on the killboard you're either a bot or mentally handicapped. It's almost impossible to lose a ship while ratting if you're paying the slightest attention to the intel channel and local.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#90 - 2012-04-19 19:40:03 UTC
Azemar wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Azemar wrote:
Ann133566 wrote:
Azemar wrote:
I am a player in the fountain region and have been with the test alliance for a while. I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle. .......
What?What?What?What?RollShockedAttentionBig smile ohhh,, you're a bot!


For some reason people seem to have a problem with PvE players in null, i've never understood why. Straight It's not like im a detriment to the corp

Botters are detriments to the corp and alliance reputation. When people tolerate botting, they also take risks of getting in trouble themselves for possibly supporting the botter and getting in-game gains out of it.

Be glad you haven't been banned yet.



Im not a bot? Man even on the forums people are hostile. I dont get it


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Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-04-19 20:16:17 UTC
Kaela Grimm wrote:
" I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle"
And
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Azemar#losses


That's your reason why. You're just someone that likes to sponge off your alliance's space and lower their kb efficiency . I don't think you can see the entry or who made it, but I imagine it was the last corp you were in that blacklisted you for the alliance because you contribute **** all.
There's nothing wrong with PVE'ing in null. That's one of the main reasons why people are out there (besides the gudfites) ; but if it's all you do and you don't do anything else to contribute to your alliance then you might as well be running missions in high sec by yourself.


Cause Eve is all about numbers on a KB and not about hanging out and having fun with friends, blowing chit up, whatever. Any corp/alliance more worried about their KB numbers than playing the game isn't worth the code they are printed on.
"If."
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-04-19 20:18:58 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
Cause Eve is all about numbers on a KB and not about hanging out and having fun with friends, blowing chit up, whatever. Any corp/alliance more worried about their KB numbers than playing the game isn't worth the code they are printed on.


No. Nullsec is about holding the field and winning the war of attrition.

However, it is blatantly obvious that the OP doesn't contribute to holding the field and is helping the alliance lose the war of attrition.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Azemar
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#93 - 2012-04-19 21:29:42 UTC
Forgive the necro guys, the issue has long been resolved.

But just to clarify, this thread was made solely to ask why i was blacklisted, because it was done unjustly and screwed me over. I have come to see how only ratting barely contributes and have changed to a more industry focused playstyle to benefit my alliance.

I only made this thread because TEST gave me no opportunity (by blacklisting me for no reason) to change my playstyle.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#94 - 2012-04-19 21:43:32 UTC
Azemar wrote:
Forgive the necro guys, the issue has long been resolved.

But just to clarify, this thread was made solely to ask why i was blacklisted, because it was done unjustly and screwed me over. I have come to see how only ratting barely contributes and have changed to a more industry focused playstyle to benefit my alliance.

I only made this thread because TEST gave me no opportunity (by blacklisting me for no reason) to change my playstyle.

It's a good lesson for everyone. Most sov holders have similar requirements. At the very least you should have a few fleet BS on hand for ops. However, you might join a pet alliance of some kind. They don't contribute to sov holding other than to pay their monthly dues, and the heavy lifting is in turn provided by the main sov holding alliance. It's the same playstyle you want to have now. You just wouldn't get to tell people you are in an a**-kicking alliance... you'd have to be satisfied with the label 'pet'. Still, it nets out and you get what you want. Should be an easy fix... just not sure if TEST even has pets. I would think they would eat them if bored. Or screw them over in some other way... if bored. Pretty much you don't want to be around TEST when they get bored, is a good rule of thumb.

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Lovelocke
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-04-19 21:55:13 UTC
Quote:
It's a good lesson for everyone. Most sov holders have similar requirements. At the very least you should have a few fleet BS on hand for ops. However, you might join a pet alliance of some kind. They don't contribute to sov holding other than to pay their monthly dues, and the heavy lifting is in turn provided by the main sov holding alliance. It's the same playstyle you want to have now. You just wouldn't get to tell people you are in an a**-kicking alliance... you'd have to be satisfied with the label 'pet'. Still, it nets out and you get what you want. Should be an easy fix... just not sure if TEST even has pets. I would think they would eat them if bored. Or screw them over in some other way... if bored. Pretty much you don't want to be around TEST when they get bored, is a good rule of thumb.



A pet is a small alliance living on the good graces of a larger alliance, what you're talking about is a renter. Even "pet" alliances are expected to contribute and as such PvE only players still wouldn't be the right member for them.

TEST doesn't have renters and officially speaking we don't have pets. We do have "Fountain allies" who are blue to us and not the CFC as a whole. Generally speaking we treat these Fountain allies very well even when they're being terrible.

And Azemar, once again, your blacklist is only "advisory". It is only on the blacklist register because we don't have any other inter-coalition noticeboard and it does not prevent other corps in the CFC from recruiting you. But, it's good to see you're rethinking your playstyle. I wish you the best of luck.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#96 - 2012-04-19 21:59:42 UTC
Lovelocke wrote:
Quote:
It's a good lesson for everyone. Most sov holders have similar requirements. At the very least you should have a few fleet BS on hand for ops. However, you might join a pet alliance of some kind. They don't contribute to sov holding other than to pay their monthly dues, and the heavy lifting is in turn provided by the main sov holding alliance. It's the same playstyle you want to have now. You just wouldn't get to tell people you are in an a**-kicking alliance... you'd have to be satisfied with the label 'pet'. Still, it nets out and you get what you want. Should be an easy fix... just not sure if TEST even has pets. I would think they would eat them if bored. Or screw them over in some other way... if bored. Pretty much you don't want to be around TEST when they get bored, is a good rule of thumb.



A pet is a small alliance living on the good graces of a larger alliance, what you're talking about is a renter. Even "pet" alliances are expected to contribute and as such PvE only players still wouldn't be the right member for them.

TEST doesn't have renters and officially speaking we don't have pets. We do have "Fountain allies" who are blue to us and not the CFC as a whole. Generally speaking we treat these Fountain allies very well even when they're being terrible.

And Azemar, once again, your blacklist is only "advisory". It is only on the blacklist register because we don't have any other inter-coalition noticeboard and it does not prevent other corps in the CFC from recruiting you. But, it's good to see you're rethinking your playstyle. I wish you the best of luck.

My bad. Good info...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-04-19 22:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
You can do as you please in null, most alliances are pretty cool about that. Some are nice enough to let you do some carebear **** in high-sec once in a while.

However, when you don't jump into a PVP capable ship when you hear that there are some potential threats near your system then you are just a liability.

Also, how do you manage to get blown up while ratting in an alliance that holds Sov? I'd understand if you were in lowsec or NPC null but I would imagine that a person would at least rat a few systems behind TEST's lines of defense. A 19 man gang getting into TEST and blowing up a battleship probably means you were ratting on the front lines.

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Serene Repose
#98 - 2012-04-20 16:01:39 UTC
Azemar wrote:
I know right! Why cant i just enjoy plexing and getting deadspace lootz?

We see your true colors shining through....guys....whatta troll. He knows why, and he caught a line of suckers.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-04-20 16:22:56 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Azemar wrote:
I know right! Why cant i just enjoy plexing and getting deadspace lootz?

We see your true colors shining through....guys....whatta troll. He knows why, and he caught a line of suckers.



Stop stirring.


Now read the original post and forget the rest as the rest are more likely to be defensive in nature.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-04-20 17:08:46 UTC
All I'm seeing is the OP is a dirty sponging bear who contributes bugger all.

And your wondering why you're black listed?

I lied :o