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Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2012-03-09 11:14:18 UTC
From Criggas Bio " To the Last Ship, To the last bullet, to the last minute, "WE FIGHT"

Unless you press self destruct first of course.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#22 - 2012-03-09 14:11:31 UTC
Whatever you may think about self destructing ships, it didn't die to CoA.

They falsified a kill mail. Put more simply; they're lying.

And here I was thinking anti-pirates were the 'good guys' bastions of virtue and morality.

How low you have sunk.
Sparkus Volundar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-03-09 14:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sparkus Volundar
Firstly, I’m sure Del will wish to join me in issuing apologies to Lady Spank for any embracement suffered by association with her COA membership :-)

Mr Morita wrote:
Since this Thanny didn't die, you felt you had to RP that it did on the killboards or something? What's up?


Thanks for the continued interest in our board :-)

As can be seen from the comments on the killboard, it's openly stated that it SDed rather than died. So I don’t think that’s RP so much as completing the picture of battle. I accept that might not be popular with everyone though.

Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
Whatever you may think about self destructing ships, it didn't die to CoA.

They falsified a kill mail. Put more simply; they're lying.

And here I was thinking anti-pirates were the 'good guys' bastions of virtue and morality.

How low you have sunk.




Kaeda, the killboard openly states that the carrier SDed. If it didn’t, I’d agree it was lying but that wasn’t the case here.

I’m not saying I think you should agree with that alternate point of view but I think there a distinction between this case and trying to pass off an SD as a kill.

Regards,
Sparks

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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2012-03-09 15:05:51 UTC
Sparkus Volundar wrote:
I accept that might not be popular with anyone though.


Fixed that for you.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#25 - 2012-03-09 15:47:55 UTC
What is a COA and why should I care?

I know what C&A is but sadly they stopped trading some time ago :(

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Yezenia
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-03-09 15:54:36 UTC
So Sparkus is justifying the fabrication of killmails that do not accurately depict what was killed and who killed it as "completing the picture of battle".

How many other killmails has Fend and COA fabricated?
Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#27 - 2012-03-09 16:17:17 UTC
Crigga wrote:
Thats a really intresting carrier Kill mail loss of my carrier that self destructed, lol. Thats pretty sad that Coa had to go off and make and put up a fake kill mail. The even funnier thing is that fit wasnt even close to what was actually on the carrier, lol. This is what a real kill mail looks like for who ever posted that fake one http://www.silnt.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12674011

This i do admit gave me a really good laugh to see the fake KM with a fail pvp fit, lol. way to make my day. Lol


You are entirely right. This is a very serious situation and is under very serious investigation. It is critical to our investigations that you aid in the serious investigation by posting the lossmail of the self-destructed carrier.

That way, of course, we can see how elite your real fitting skills are.

Oh, and congrats on killing my solo Tempest, I enjoyed the fight. I suppose I enjoyed killing the nano BCs your carriers hotdropped for even more. My only question was why, when your whole alliance lives two jumps away from the fight, your mates didn't get in proper ships and come back to save the carrier...like maybe in something the extremely well-fit carrier could actually get reps on before they died?
Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-03-09 16:25:30 UTC
Altaen wrote:

The matter is under investigation, good sir.

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Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-03-09 16:26:36 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
From Criggas Bio " To the Last Ship, To the last bullet, to the last minute, "WE FIGHT"

Unless you press self destruct first of course.


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Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#30 - 2012-03-09 16:27:13 UTC
Crigga wrote:
Our fleet consisted of 12 guys vs there 25+ man fleet and we still engaged first, lol.

"Come At Me Bro"Pirate


You really shouldn't be so proud of engaging first against a 25 man fleet comprised primarily of shield BS with 7 logistics, using nano BCs, a Brutix, a HAC, a Falcon and 2 carriers. It is unwise and expensive to confuse bravado with stupidity.
This was a rash decision following your Megathron being ganked by that fleet, and a poor attempt to make good on your words in local after losing that Mega, which were something along the lines of "What goes around, comes around."
Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2012-03-09 16:39:43 UTC
Sparkus Volundar wrote:

Kaeda, the killboard openly states that the carrier SDed. If it didn’t, I’d agree it was lying but that wasn’t the case here.

I’m not saying I think you should agree with that alternate point of view but I think there a distinction between this case and trying to pass off an SD as a kill.

Regards,
Sparks


Not really, either way it is lying. You did not kill that carrier. The killmail says you did. Fairly simple even for the simple-minded.

Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
Whatever you may think about self destructing ships, it didn't die to CoA.

And here I was thinking anti-pirates were the 'good guys' bastions of virtue and morality.


"Hey guys, I don't think we killed that DIRTY PIWAT'S carrier".

"Who cares, I'll post the mail anyways"

"HUZZAH, who is up for some croquet?"

^COA comms tbh
Sparkus Volundar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-03-09 16:47:03 UTC
Yezenia wrote:
So Sparkus is justifying the fabrication of killmails that do not accurately depict what was killed and who killed it as "completing the picture of battle".

How many other killmails has Fend and COA fabricated?


To my knowledge, this is the first time anyone in Fend or COA has posted a "kill" for a SDed ship and as it was done alongside openly stating it SDed.

The general level of interest in seems quite high seeing as it was posted on a private board rather than Eve Kill or Battleclinic where it would mess up other people's boards including Silent and Fend.

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#33 - 2012-03-09 18:19:13 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
Crigga wrote:
Sutskop wrote:
Attias Gates wrote:
Wow no wonder COA guys get made fun of so much by EvE players. They cant popp a carrier so they fake it. Nice. When i get older I want to be just like you.


I'd say the only thing more pathetic is selfdestructing your carrier, but that's just me.


I'd rather c*ck block a carrier kill any day of the week rather than have that loss up on our KB, but thats just me. Twisted


Why? Is your ego so affected by a list of spacepixel ship losses? And if so, aren't your killboard stats just a bunch of fake if you do that?
If you were about to lose it do it like a man ffs.



You sound mad bro.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#34 - 2012-03-09 18:20:19 UTC
Sparkus Volundar wrote:
Yezenia wrote:
So Sparkus is justifying the fabrication of killmails that do not accurately depict what was killed and who killed it as "completing the picture of battle".

How many other killmails has Fend and COA fabricated?


To my knowledge, this is the first time anyone in Fend or COA has posted a "kill" for a SDed ship and as it was done alongside openly stating it SDed.

The general level of interest in seems quite high seeing as it was posted on a private board rather than Eve Kill or Battleclinic where it would mess up other people's boards including Silent and Fend.



You must be a construction worker in RL cause you doing a fine job with that hole you diggin' son.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Crigga
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-03-09 20:03:43 UTC
this is my final post to this, The fit was not even close to being right on the fake KM for 1, For even tho you state that the kill mail was a fake and that my ship did go from self-destruct. your still padding your boards with fake km's which looks really bad on your part. for 3 im not mad when this was shown to me i was honestly amazed that this is how it gotten played out and then i started to laugh, lol. all in all i did have a fun in that fight and had gotten alot of laughs out the whole situation so i will not be trolling this thread anymore good day to all of you and fly safe! Lol
Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2012-03-10 04:18:32 UTC
Crigga wrote:
this is my final post to this, The fit was not even close to being right on the fake KM for 1, For even tho you state that the kill mail was a fake and that my ship did go from self-destruct. your still padding your boards with fake km's which looks really bad on your part. for 3 im not mad when this was shown to me i was honestly amazed that this is how it gotten played out and then i started to laugh, lol. all in all i did have a fun in that fight and had gotten alot of laughs out the whole situation so i will not be trolling this thread anymore good day to all of you and fly safe! Lol


You're***
flakeys
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-03-10 09:23:09 UTC
Crigga wrote:
Taked a bigger man to blow up his own cap ship rather than give it to someone who dont deserve it, in my eyes. i knew what i was getting myself into before i blew my own ship up, lol. Our fleet consisted of 12 guys vs there 25+ man fleet and we still engaged first, lol.




Haha we'll fight those bastards outnumbered because we can take them ... oops no we can't quick self destruct.Roll

Looks like both sides got a bit too much of todays killboard jerking going on.

Don't feel bad though , bout 90% of eve has that thing going on these days.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Delilah Wild
Concordokken Holdings
#38 - 2012-03-10 20:25:24 UTC
Unlike reds, whites and blends, pirate whine goes well with all food groups, and is especially popular amongst grown men acting like teenagers.

Seriously, though, such outrage. I have been gone several days, and had no idea of this controversy until I received mewling eve mails from Crigga and Eng.

Now lets review the facts.

The Coalition of Anti-Pirates destroys a Silent fleet.
Crigga ejects from his Thanatos to avoid an embarrassing kill mail.
Crigga then taunts the COA fleet about said kill mail.
COA fleet members make a kill mail for Crigga's carrier.

Hmm…. Seems to me this was a creative and interesting experiment that fills in for a gap in Eve's kill statistics. While unorthodox, it certainly does a better job of representing the actual participants and losses on the battlefield.

I can certainly understand, however, that this is mortifying to the members of Silent, and they would rather not have it know.

I also appreciate how the practice could be abused, although it is richly ironic to hear pirates bemoaning such outcomes. Really, as if anyone unquestioningly believes in the accuracy of any pirates killboard, much less that of Silent?

Still, the experiment does raise some vexing issues. I'll ask our leadership, FCs and pilots to weigh in on the matter about whether and under what conditions we should allow the use of supplemental kill mails. For the time being, I will remain neutral about it's propriety.

When we reach a decision I'll update our public FAQ page. You can find it at www.coalitionofantipirates.com.

Cheers

Delilah Wild
Diplomat, COA

Founder, Coalition of Anti-Pirates
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#39 - 2012-03-10 22:10:11 UTC
Traditionally it is looked upon poorly to fake killmails, even if your actions caused them to self destruct. No mail is no mail. I can appreciate the counter-perspective in wishing to 'accurately portray events as they happened' but personally do not think it is worth the 'faker' reputation you will build if you make a habit of doing this.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#40 - 2012-03-10 22:22:14 UTC
Haha... best thread in C&P in a looong time P
Fake KM's, tears, "be a man"-comments, excuses, backpaddling, "no u"-comments... holy hell, it has it all Lol

u guys... Roll

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....