Warfare & Tactics

The following is what we used to use in Egghelende for working around the gates:

1) You'll need a tackle ship that can tank gate guns long enough to stop whatever comes through. What we used for this in low-sec was a phobos with 4x sensor boosters and sensor boost rigs . The infinite point is also nice for catching ships with stabs and with remote sensor boosting on top of it all you can even catch pods. The down side is you need to armor tank it. You can try a shield hictor but with limited slots for sensor boosting you won't be able to catch most of the fast frigates. Gate tanking ability is about 4 min and you have to be keep rep drones out from the domi in case it gets primaried.

so that's 1

For the other three, I would personally try this:

1x neut domi with a passive shield tank, 3 neuts, two nos's and 1 RR shield repper. You also really need 100mn mwd. Pilot needs to micro-manage cap so no f1-f2-f3 mission runners for this job. The only fitting I have is for a Domi Navy version but it tanks gate guns infinitely. If you want to go on the cheap then try to fit what you can on a normal domi. You should be able to make it fit. The thing is, with anything that's heavy enough to tank the gate guns you're going to need an answer for kiting. and active tanked T3's. Hence the need for the neuts. You obviously can't use the curse/pilgrim around gate guns and the bhaalgorn, while the perfect ship for this job, is far too expensive and too irresistible of a target for others.

1x passive fit shield Mymidon with mwd, web, scram and RR. You'll need it for finishing off small stuff that the domi neuted. This is what we used. The Myrmidon is the most forgiving BC for working around gates. We used to fit ours with artillery guns (650's) because at the time blasters sucked beyond belief and rails are pure fail in web range. You might also consider autocannons or revisit blasters now that theyv'e been rebalanced. We didn't use them but maybe they'll work better for your puposes.

1x dps. A Rokh, Tempest or Maelstrom. We used to just go with the kitchen sink for dps but if you want a coordinated gang then should go with a high-alpha shield tanker. Don't forget your RR if you're going to be close. Otherwise fit for snipe and keep it safe.

This isn't the only thing that works for low-sec but I know for a fact that it works... at least it did before the uber-tanking 100mn-AB T3 cruisers came along and defined the new win-machine for low-sec. IIRC we made something like 340 kills in one month just camping around Egghelende with this and that didn't include the large number of pod's we took out. We even kept the odd pod as a "pet" and bumped them away from the gate and left them pointed until they decided to self destruct. Adding insult to injury :) I know... we were nasty.

Btw, what we lost most of were Myrmidons followed by the odd Phobos and you're crazy if you use something like this without at least one *good* scout who has good probing skills. I would also keep this fleet well away from the 100mn fit T3's.

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You might have a lot of fun with 4 RR battleships, depending on the standard local activity of wherever you are roaming. Tempests, Dominix and Megathrons work well for that.

If you just want to catch everything you see instead of engaging fleets you find, you could try a web Loki w/ Faction Point (nothing should be getting back to gate very easily with that) along with some DPS. Drakes or Canes or something. You could also substitute the Loki for an Ashimmu or Vigilant for keeping stuff in one place.

I think the OP was talking about low-sec. Recons don't tank well enough to endure gate guns for long.

In order to tank low-sec gate guns you need a ship that can tank 350dps plus whatever the other guy might be shooting at you for about a min. 350dps is what gate guns do and they switch every 30 seconds to a different target. If you're unlucky you get hit twice in a row (and that actually happens quite often) so you need to take it for 1min before you get a break. There are some tricks to manage the aggro a bit but that's the ballpark constraint you need to plan for.

If you totally pimped out a Lachesis it *might* survive for a min if nothing too big jumped through the gate, but the phobos is a better tackler for low-sec and especially on the budget the OP mentioned. A Huggin or rapier certainly can't do it, even if it were pimped out. The just don't have the tank.

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Thx for the replies so far guys .

The phobos tackler gang seems funny, might give it a try tonight ;-)

Yes we obiously disscussed (and tried) using rapier and lachesis but the 20.000ehp tank is way too low for the sentryguns.
Perhaps if u run a 1x schimi with rapier and 2x welp canes, that sounds lame enoughatleast


Sry for bad post, Ill reply more detailed after work. (ipad writing is a pain)

Heh the tank isn't that bad


51k EHP tank with dual points :) Replace the warp disruptor with another invuln and you'll have 65k EHP and 186 Defence. Overheated without boosts faction scram reaches 27k, and you have 337.5mm scan res without remote sebos on you or quafe

Fine, it's still not good enough to solo tank gate gates, but it's enough to stay alive if you have a few RR domis/tempests/myrmidons with you :) Or, if you're ganking a solo target it'll easily last long enough to land on gate, wait for decloak and kill them. So long as you stay aligned out and warp at the first sign of a tarp anyway

A single sentry gun does 176 DPS. That means total sentry DPS on a gate is 352.

352 DPS*30 seconds = 10,560 damage.
The fit in question has 51,000 EHP.

In other words; he'll be fine for more than long enough for the guns to switch targets.

It won't "probably" stay alive, it will stay alive. Especially if you're just toasting a single target, and especially if you have RR BS/BCs with you. With some spidering domis or myrms a few T2 recons will stay alive easily even against fleets due to their high resists, and they mean you can engage at range. Just make sure the RR ships have ECCM fitted.

65k EHP is 4k less than a max skilled armor hurricane. Since it's in low sec chuck in some cheap kva/kya implants which you aren't going to lose, and you can get the EHP to match an armor hurricane, only you'll have 200+ DPS passive recharge.

This isn't some crazy theory, I've used them myself in small gangs. As for it never catching anything frigate sized, that's why you have remote sensor boosters. Good luck killing a frigate with a Phobos, you know the infini-point doesn't shut down the MWD right?

Anyway, they aren't perfect, but as the OP says he's on a budget so they can't all be in T3s. And a HIC is really only useful against warp core bonus transports, against everything else it just becomes a low DPS sensor boosted tank. Recons will be able to get out faster, they can engage at greater range, they will cost ~60m less and they mean you will be able to kill almost everything that comes through.


You can't kill a cloaky hauler by boosting your scan res, I used to have a 4k scan res T3 for killing interceptors and... well, everything. You still can't kill cloaky haulers because of the way Eve's one second ticks work, the only way to kill them is to litter the gate and once you've done that anything that can lock them in <5 seconds will do.


If you rep something, and they have GCC or -5 SS, you will get gate gun aggro. A solo logistics ship will die, you need multiple logistics or buffer RR ships for logistics to be viable.

Also, I just read through that. Sorry if I sound abrupt, I'm not trying to be rude, I just ran out of cigarettes so I'm slowly going insane

Well last night 3 of us went out to fool around (4th beign busy) and after readig this thread the tackler of us just went out and bought himself a broadsword witch he overtanked beyond belief..

The other 2 of us had some armor canes in witch we just removed one web and replaced it with a remote sebo

One cane on either side of the gate with the broadsword below, all of us 10-12km from gate, resulted in most ppl landing in webrange so the hic could infiniti point and the canes got their 2seconds to lock and apply webs.

Also with all of us in a different pounce spot 2000km off gate so all could warp to 10 and land in correct spots , almost looked professional hehe
So thats the campy part taken care of with the hic, now just gotta compliment it..

Thanks for all the ideas and try to keep an healthy disscussion

Why yes we did, the 600dps passivetank is just awesomesauce, the hic has a single sebo while the others use 1remote sebo, it push him into 1100-1200mm scan res..

Also we tried a little new twist again last night, since i love flying the curse (and holyhell they only cost around 129mill for the hull these days) i fitted up my very first armor curse..ill link the fit later but im acctually pleasantly surprised by its performance.

alittle wall of text inc since i wanna post the fits, feel free to flame all u want :)


The armor canes fitted like so..


The armor curse, and ye i know its no NOS on it



and the broadsword is simply fitted for just grabbing hold of stuff...