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Powers Sa
#121 - 2012-03-07 21:08:41 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
And how did he got the names from cancelled accounts? Magic?

It's funny you should mention that, after all, he is a Wizard.

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RDevz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#122 - 2012-03-07 21:16:42 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
I got it too, all the names seemed to be people in my corp too.

Why does his name seem familiar?


I ended up on the same spam mail as mittens, Vile Rat, and 47 other goons. I'd reply-all, urging the recipients to vote for ~my ceo~ instead, but that'd be a severe case of preaching to the choir.

~
Vaurion Infara
Doomheim
#123 - 2012-03-07 22:25:29 UTC
Re: Re: Please vote for Trebor Daehdoow in the CSM elections
From: Vaurion Infara
Sent: 2012.03.07 22:22
To: Trebor Daehdoow,

I fundamentally stand against unsolicited evemails. Your excuse doesn't fly, just because you were actually on the last CSM. If you don't feel you have the same chance as last time, it reflects poorly on your assessment of your performance on the CSM.

You've opened up a serious can of worms, both for your chances at this CSM and for players all over, because now mass mailing will be needed just to compete. I hope that's not the case, but the possibility is there. Again, have a nice day.

Re: Please vote for Trebor Daehdoow in the CSM elections
From: Trebor Daehdoow
Sent: 2012.03.07 22:12
To: Vaurion Infara,

I understand where you're coming from, but the blunt reality is that directly contacting voters is the only way an independent candidate has of fighting against the huge organizational advantage of nullsec bloc candidates.

That's why I did a one-time mailing.

There's more details on what I did and why here: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2012/03/knocking-on-doors-in-outer-space.html

And I ran it by the GMs well in advance to make sure it would not cause any problems.

best
Trebor

Re: Please vote for Trebor Daehdoow in the CSM elections
From: Vaurion Infara
Sent: 2012.03.07 17:35
To: Trebor Daehdoow

You automatically lose mine and my alliance's votes for spamming. Have a fine day.

this is it
Togor Insapiens
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2012-03-07 22:33:04 UTC
Where's my mail? I'm feeling left out Sad if I don't receive a mail within the next minute I'm afraid you will of lost my vote.
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#125 - 2012-03-07 22:35:04 UTC
F A I L - CCP

A message to me is START UP THE SPAM ENGINES!

Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/

If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.

Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?

Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?

Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed and new errors being introduced daily?

Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!

If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted your vote on F A I L

Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-03-07 23:19:26 UTC
One thing I would like to clarify is that the mails to the Goons (and some other nullsec blocs) were accidental.

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

If it's any consolation, this caused me to (a) waste several hours and (b) receive quite a large number of EVEmails from aggrieved goons. Some of them were quite eloquent and enlarged my vocabulary.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#127 - 2012-03-07 23:20:11 UTC
Rundle Allnighter wrote:
I see only a few things here:

1) People who are ...



I do not vote as I do not believe in democracy. I immediately throw away all mail that is not directly addressed to me, I boycott all brands that I become aware of and I mute the TV during advertising breaks.

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Not even once

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Vaurion Infara
Doomheim
#128 - 2012-03-07 23:23:09 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
One thing I would like to clarify is that the mails to the Goons (and some other nullsec blocs) were accidental.

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

If it's any consolation, this caused me to (a) waste several hours and (b) receive quite a large number of EVEmails from aggrieved goons. Some of them were quite eloquent and enlarged my vocabulary.


I like you Trebor, I think you're one of the few guys I'd actually want on the CSM. I just don't like mass mails, or the possibility of this becoming an actual and widespread campaign tactic. I'm protesting against the method, not the person. Unfortunately, you happened to be the first one to do it.

this is it
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#129 - 2012-03-08 00:26:34 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
One thing I would like to clarify is that the mails to the Goons (and some other nullsec blocs) were accidental.

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

If it's any consolation, this caused me to (a) waste several hours and (b) receive quite a large number of EVEmails from aggrieved goons. Some of them were quite eloquent and enlarged my vocabulary.

I appreciate that you considered me a potential vote that could be achieved, as well as my good friend Hulk Basher on the evemail. Regrettably I had already voted for the Chairman For Life, so your efforts were in vain.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#130 - 2012-03-08 00:43:29 UTC
I'm not fussed about a CSM member sending me an email. I mean, the Goons are rabidly spamming the threads of other candidates like Issler with their usual crap and it seems to be tolerated.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#131 - 2012-03-08 01:00:58 UTC
I have no problem with mail under political conditions like this.

Nice move that hopefully caught the attention of many voters.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#132 - 2012-03-08 02:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Ovidia Rhianon wrote:
If you really want to get back at Trebor vote for Mittens.


He's arguably just done that to himself.

Champion, bru. Champion.

[tinfoilhattery]

I wonder if...someone...put him up to it?

[/tinfoilhattery]

Seriously, mate:

Not.
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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2012-03-08 02:21:32 UTC
Vaurion Infara wrote:
I like you Trebor, I think you're one of the few guys I'd actually want on the CSM. I just don't like mass mails, or the possibility of this becoming an actual and widespread campaign tactic. I'm protesting against the method, not the person. Unfortunately, you happened to be the first one to do it.

I'm perfectly fine with that -- and btw, direct outreach via evemail has been used in prior elections.

It is no secret that I think there are serious flaws in the CSM voting mechanic, and that discussions about changing it will be a priority for me if I get re-elected. If a reasonably fair election environment can be worked out that permits some sort of balanced direct outreach, then I'd have no problems with additional restrictions on evemailing by candidates.

BTW, Ender Black totally put the issue in the right perspective in this blog post.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Elijah Bry'an Baudoin
EVE Exchange
#134 - 2012-03-08 02:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Elijah Bry'an Baudoin
Quote:
If I were dumb enough to take you seriously, I wouldn't deserve your vote. :)

However, I do believe that Darius III is once again offering PLEX for votes.

best
Trebor


Re: Please vote for Trebor Daehdoow in the CSM elections
From: Elijah Bry'an Baudoin
Sent: 2012.03.07 11:16
To: Trebor Daehdoow

How much ISK per vote we talking here?
Don't sell yourself short.

Obviously he doesn't want it that badly.

Whoever gets on the CSM can we commoditize votes like everything else in this game? A market opportunity is going begging here.
riverini
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-03-08 04:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: riverini
Trebor, this is a shameful decision and I can see the possible storm of spam this could create. This smells like an act of desperation, specially since you took no effort in pre-campaigning under the premise "likes aren't important". Now we know why.

Then you post a piece trying to justify this lunacy... Throwing garbage into a player's inbox is not "keeping in touch" with potential voters, and you know it. Having sent emails to the Mittani, Me and other csm candidates clearly shows a lack of measure when throwing the spam. You sure you were Copy / Pasting them yourself and not using an automated mechanism?

In my opinion CCP GM reaction is even worse. Given the "go ahead spams as you like", what's keeping someone like Darius III to spam dubios PLEX4VOTES offers now? Basically they are just asking for trouble. It only takes a few well written emails from disgruntled or malicious CUSTOMERS to spark a small scandal in the mainstream media, if those emails haven't been sent already.

Is CCP forgetting they are dealing with paying customers here? I know nothing will revert the mother-load of spam that has been sent, nor the annoying experience of receiving them but the CCP position is one easy to revert, and one we would understand.

Trebor, at least now I see you hold a special (and desperate) interest in clawing yourself to your current CSM post, at all cost. I'll find the reason.

As for CCP Games, we the CSM candidates shouldn't hold special treatment over other players. If Trebor didn't bother himself in campaigning that's not our problem, a bad precedent is being set.

R

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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#136 - 2012-03-08 04:21:33 UTC
Peter Powers wrote:
so actually you are saying it is allowed to automate the usage of evegate by a script to send evemail

or do you just look the other way on how someone can evemail a few thousand users, and claim you think its done manually?

~1.000.000 characters / 50 recipients = 20.000 mailings

Trebor, since he has programming skills knows how to sort them by weight (likelihood of voting for him) and cull out unlikely voters, could easily reduce the list down to 5-10.000 mails. (100.000-200.000 recipients likely to vote for him)

It is possible to make a program that will fill his copy buffer with the next list automatically, and all he would need to do is paste and click send. This would be manual, not scripted, as has been confirmed by CCP in many other cases where key macros have been used to be defined as manual.

So, properly set up he could probably do one per 10 seconds or so, meaning that he'd spend 3 hours per 1.000 mailings. (20.000 recipients)

Nyan
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#137 - 2012-03-08 05:34:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Rundle Allnighter wrote:
How many of you got Alliance or Corporation eve-mails telling you to vote for candidate X? And then came here to cry about getting one mail from a candidate not in your alliance or corp?

We actually got them via our out-of-game comms. It's different because we never read eve-mails, I don't know who first noticed they got sent a CSM one.

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leboe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2012-03-08 06:24:01 UTC
Generic candidate sending out generic mails, nbs

http://rotekapelle.com/killboard/
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#139 - 2012-03-08 07:35:26 UTC
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.
Shame on you, Trebor.


That's one for each spam mail I got to delete so far. I count on the list growing. Roll
asidburn Enaka
The 501st Legion
#140 - 2012-03-08 08:18:02 UTC
i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!

asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do
Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there
Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat
asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation.
Darius III > Thanks man
Darius III > that concludes our business
Darius III > Fly safe
asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract
asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people
asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be
asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you
asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture
Darius III > Have them vote against me
Darius III > Sorry for the ssam
Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM
asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons
Darius III > not really
Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter
Darius III > nothing can stop them
Darius III > and thats a real shame
asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes
asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243
Darius III > Didnt have them anyway
Darius III > didnt lose anything
Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign
asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get
asidburn Enaka > too late
asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv
asidburn Enaka > so i can post
Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it
Darius III > You too lazy anyway
Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about
asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time
Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL

rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for the