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Automated spam mails by CSM cantidates allowed?

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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#81 - 2012-03-07 15:01:42 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:
I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.


so actually you are saying it is allowed to automate the usage of evegate by a script to send evemail?

or do you just look the other way on how someone can evemail a few thousand users, and claim you think its done manually?

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2012-03-07 15:18:55 UTC
hello, can of worms

i love cans of worms

munch munch munch

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-03-07 15:19:41 UTC
I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters.

I am enjoying some of the speculation as to my methods, but really guys, you're overthinking it. All that is required is some planning and elbow grease.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#84 - 2012-03-07 15:23:31 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters.

I am enjoying some of the speculation as to my methods, but really guys, you're overthinking it. All that is required is some planning and elbow grease.


yeah, right, you put in several thousand of names manually.

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-03-07 15:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Taedrin
Peter Powers wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters.

I am enjoying some of the speculation as to my methods, but really guys, you're overthinking it. All that is required is some planning and elbow grease.


yeah, right, you put in several thousand of names manually.


I hate spam as much as the next guy (in fact I am most definitely NOT voting for anyone who resorts to spam to gain attention), but it is quite easy to copy+pasta. Especially if you have a bit of scripting knowledge which can assemble the names into a comma delimited format. Then all you have to do is copy+pasta by hand twice for each mass mail.

What MAY be against the rules though is somehow evading "block unknown characters" as some people are reporting.
Kusanagi Kasuga
Indigo Archive
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#86 - 2012-03-07 15:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Kusanagi Kasuga
Edit: It's possible my information was incorrect.

In any case, I support Trebor's mass-mailing since there is so much of EVE who don't vote, or don't even know how to vote, or don't even know that there's something to vote for.
0.0 candidates are mass-mailing a target audience (Alliance mail) who will vote them in with little effort. The rest of EVE has no such easy-switch for candidates to get votes from the pool of players who would not otherwise research and vote.

One eve-mail, even one eve-mail per candidate per election is not really a lot of spam. Should it get out of hand (such as, for example, real politics) then it should be curtailed to a reasonable level.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#87 - 2012-03-07 15:42:32 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
I hate spam as much as the next guy (in fact I am most definitely NOT voting for anyone who resorts to spam to gain attention), but it is quite easy to copy+pasta. Especially if you have a bit of scripting knowledge which can assemble the names into a comma delimited format. Then all you have to do is copy+pasta by hand twice for each mass mail.

i dont think it accepts a few thousand addresses in one copy+paste ;)

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Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-03-07 15:47:58 UTC
Then how the feck did he get my name? I just troll the afk cloak haters and space barbie carebears, never undocked once.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-03-07 15:48:41 UTC
Peter Powers wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
I hate spam as much as the next guy (in fact I am most definitely NOT voting for anyone who resorts to spam to gain attention), but it is quite easy to copy+pasta. Especially if you have a bit of scripting knowledge which can assemble the names into a comma delimited format. Then all you have to do is copy+pasta by hand twice for each mass mail.

i dont think it accepts a few thousand addresses in one copy+paste ;)


He isn't mailing a few thousand people at once, though. Realize that EVE does not have a bcc mailing feature, so you can see exactly who he sends the mail to. Example, my alt was on this mailing list:

Quote:

To: Aisha Kropotkin, Alexila Quant, Anakin Pubcrawler, Andrew DuLac, Aria Jenneth, Aris Tarchos, Beltze Sorgin, Casper Deeson, Charlotte The Harlot, Chesrie, Col Entreri, Cord Binchiette, darkos legion, Delkana Fox, Drachen Guard, Duke Neutem, Firekarm, Hazel Starr, herbal longtoke, Jagan Matri, Jonas Kyramir, Joseph Juneau, Khurt DeLandcourt, Kitsune Tsuki, Leitharos Rosselem, Maedeline Thiesant, Mallikanth, Mensche, Mona Dire, Ninja kReX kyle, Pampari, Pious XII, Primal Cause, Raceleader, Raisam, Rattus Norwegius, RazorKat, Riapsed Alvilla, Sesshru, Spawne32, Sragir, T'noa, Taedrin, Tyr Aeron, Utremi Fasolasi, Vestri Nex, Vinfandel, Yua Tamulin,


That's about 50 recipients in one copy+pasta. He *might* be using a bot to do this, but he very well may just have been a very dedicated CSM nominee who statyed up all night copy+pasting spam messages.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#90 - 2012-03-07 15:58:45 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:
I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.


Spam is automatically deleted and were I going to vote for anyone, spammers would lose my vote.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-03-07 15:58:59 UTC
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:
For anyone who's unaware - Trebor gets this list not from some underhanded nefarious trick - but rather from people who showed they're interested in EVE's politics.
If you voted in one of the Crowdsourcing prioritisation threads, he'll evemail you. (He mentioned it in one of his earlier mails)

I'm sure that if you ask him, he will remove your name permanently from his mailing list.


While he may harvest names from his crowdsourcing threads, this is most definitely NOT his only source of names as he hit several of my alts - who have never been on any kill mails and have only posted on the forums 3 times (by accident, back when the default character for posting on the forums would randomly change).

However he did not hit any of my alts who had not posted on the forums. This makes me think that he is scraping names off of the forums - either directly, or through eve-search. These other alts are on EVE-WHO, though, so it seems he is NOT scraping the names from there (which makes sense, EVE-WHO limits you to 10 requests every 30 seconds)
Kusanagi Kasuga
Indigo Archive
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#92 - 2012-03-07 16:45:23 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:
For anyone who's unaware - Trebor gets this list not from some underhanded nefarious trick - but rather from people who showed they're interested in EVE's politics.
If you voted in one of the Crowdsourcing prioritisation threads, he'll evemail you. (He mentioned it in one of his earlier mails)

I'm sure that if you ask him, he will remove your name permanently from his mailing list.


While he may harvest names from his crowdsourcing threads, this is most definitely NOT his only source of names as he hit several of my alts - who have never been on any kill mails and have only posted on the forums 3 times (by accident, back when the default character for posting on the forums would randomly change).

However he did not hit any of my alts who had not posted on the forums. This makes me think that he is scraping names off of the forums - either directly, or through eve-search. These other alts are on EVE-WHO, though, so it seems he is NOT scraping the names from there (which makes sense, EVE-WHO limits you to 10 requests every 30 seconds)


Yeah, I realised after posting that those facts might have been true for previous mails, but didn't seem to match the facts of this mail.
Squizz Caphinator
The Wormhole Police
#93 - 2012-03-07 16:45:24 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
EVE-WHO limits you to 10 requests every 30 seconds)


Its good that I do this too, every day there are roughly 5 new IP's trying to scrape the site. It got bad enough I actually removed the scrape notification from my log files.

Various projects I enjoy putting my free time into:

https://zkillboard.com | https://evewho.com
Garmon
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#94 - 2012-03-07 17:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Garmon
The sad thing is that Fon Revedhort has been working on a pvp video for the past 20 months, he released it around 36 hours ago for his CSM campaign, and it is the single best pvp movie that has ever been made, only 1k people has seen it. It's unfathomable how something that required so much effort + innovation, and is quite frankly, fantastic, has been ignored by the general eve public, but an evening of spamming has resulted in you reaching out to 200k+ characters?

Fon's eve-o thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77415&find=unread

Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6R4j0S_U

P.S. CCP should post that video on their facebook wall, a lot of people will love it, they might need to listen to different music though
I like Duncan
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#95 - 2012-03-07 17:06:14 UTC
So... Trebor now out-trolls goon and test. C/D?

Nyan
Jenshae Chiroptera
#96 - 2012-03-07 17:10:35 UTC
Garmon wrote:
The sad thing is that ... a pvp video for ... his CSM campaign,


PVP video? So what? How does that show the ability to communicate clearly and arbitrate with unbiased opinion? Roll

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
#97 - 2012-03-07 17:18:06 UTC
ah so there is special rule for CSM to be allowed to spam all players,, next is alllowed to bot and free rubdown and happy ending at fanfest
Garmon
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#98 - 2012-03-07 17:23:42 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Garmon wrote:
The sad thing is that ... a pvp video for ... his CSM campaign,


PVP video? So what? How does that show the ability to communicate clearly and arbitrate with unbiased opinion? Roll


If you remember, when the CSM minutes were released, there was a big outcry with the community with how the CSM candidates didn't seem to be in touch with the game, and were generally, incompetent - not my words, just the general feedback the majority gave, I would say that this video demonstrates that he doesn't have those qualities. I'm sure a lot of people would agree that an important quality that a CSM candidate should have is their ability to pvp, and understand mechanics, apart from the video being very enjoyable, it addresses those concerns too. 
I like Duncan
Glistening Bravado
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-03-07 17:28:09 UTC
Daquaris wrote:
Seriously - Is this allowed?

We have a cantidate - Trebor Daehdoow Spamming everyone in EVE.

It appears he is using a bot that scrapes player names from the forums.


As long as I don't get robocalls from his campaign, I don't really give a ****.
Rangloff
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-03-07 17:34:45 UTC
This is ridiculous. You are allowing the automated spamming of thousands. I am sure any other person doing such an action would receive harsh punishments. Imagine being spammed by the Jita scam bots. It would be just like real life getting spammed by telemarketers and junk mail. OH THE JOY.