Ships & Modules

have u considered to give all self-rep ships ( hyperion, maelstrom, brutix etc ) an extra bonus like "recieve x% more rep amount from remote repair modules " ? self-rep bonus is a huge waste in a fleet with logi ships now, and those ships can not get any more tank like ships with armor / shield resistance in large fleet. it is not that fair. hope u ccp guys can think about it

Ships with active tank bonuses are geared toward smaller engagements, where active tanking is somewhat viable.

Interestingly, though, the amount of dps able to be repped by an active bonused ship and a resist bonused ship is very similar. If I recall correctly, the difference between an active abaddon and hyperion is something like 3% (in favor of the hype), given a similar resist configuration.

the point is a a ship with a +5% resistance per lev and its designed to passive tank and get all the pros of it its equally effective as a +rep at active tanking


in comparison a +rep ship get only half a bonus compared to a +res ship

While I dont think this is true of most ships, one ship I feel should be changed to a resist bonus is the Claymore, as its designed to operate in large fleets.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the Claymore is designed to be more of a small gang boosting ship (same as the Scimitar is for Logi). In which case, the rep amount bonus makes perfect sense.

5% resistance bonuses give the same amount of active tank bonus as 7.5% repair amount. This is why resistance bonused ships can be active tanked just as well as the active tanked bonused ones. For proof, check the harpy vs hawk. The harpy has a 25% resistance bonus while the hawk has a 37.5% shield boost amount bonus. It works out to the same active tank for both ships using identical fits, the harpy however has about 25% more buffer due to the higher resists. That's not to say the hawk is bad, I actually like it better than the harpy (extra midslot).

In any case, I agree that something needs to be changed but I don't think an RR amount bonus is appropriate. As said, not everything needs to be optimized for fleets. I think a simple buff to the active repair amount bonus would be sufficient. Perhaps making it 10-15% per level instead of 7.5%. The idea behind such a change is active tank should be absolutely superior to buffer in 1v1 or 2v2 without having to resort to implants, links and drugs. With those items, I think it should be viable small gangs of up to around 5-8 vs the same.

Alternatively, it could be a 7.5% repair amount and cap usage reduction per level. Such reduced cap usage would not inheritable increase their active tanking ability, but would make it a little less vulnerable to neuting. Neuts would still remain the primary counter to it, it would just take a little more. So their wouldn't be any improvement in small gang ability, but it would be a little more survivable 1v1 or 2v2.

hellcats can have more than 150k EHP

What? Claymores, Vultures and the similar ones for armor fleets are used every day in battle. Sure quite often they sit in POSes and/or safe spots but far from always.

If the bonus is inherently inferior it should be increased to parity.

IMO the rep bonus should come with a reduction in the damage to self rep modules when overloaded, such that you can overheat them for longer.

Something like 10% per level, so the final time you can run with heat is 150% the current level. The problem with rep bonus ships is you often fit several reppers (armour at least) and the heat damage means you overheat before you've repped enough that a standard buffer wouldn't have just been the better option.

Hopefully that makes sense.