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Rant Over, All 4 racial BC 5 to replace current BC 5
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Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-03-07 02:04:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Shogun Archer
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-03-07 02:06:09 UTC
S0mveraa wrote:
Tier removal and re-balancing of ships is awesome. What in the hell is wrong with a generic BC and destroyer skill tho? Other then making me have to train destroyers to atleast 4 on multiple accounts, in multiple different races now, even tho i don't even USE a destroyer on any of them. I've played eve for 5 years, if this happens as stated in the dev blog, i'm out.


P.S. Yup, crying like a new born baby over this, i'll take my dozen or so accounts and ....


You don't need to train anything.

It would only affect new skills being learnt.

Skill prerequisites are only checked on injection. once injected, you can train at will.

Ship prerequisites are only checked at one level.

So a cruiser, has racial cruiser as a prereq. It doesn't actually check if you have racial frigate too. (as it's impossible to get, right now. no point in walking the tree). The insertion of destroyers will make no difference, unless there's a cruiser skill you don't yet have, and want.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#23 - 2012-03-07 02:18:08 UTC
Why in the heck are people still complaining?

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#24 - 2012-03-07 02:43:13 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Why in the heck are people still complaining?


Because they suffer from ADD and cant bother comprehending such a long blog.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-03-07 02:48:52 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Why in the heck are people still complaining?


Because they suffer from ADD and cant bother comprehending such a long blog.



I've read the blog and as far as splitting up destroyers and BC skills are concerned. It's just bull.


Maybe CCP think by creating more skills from the skills we have they're adding content.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-07 02:52:29 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Why in the heck are people still complaining?


Because they suffer from ADD and cant bother comprehending such a long blog.



I've read the blog and as far as splitting up destroyers and BC skills are concerned. It's just bull.


Maybe CCP think by creating more skills from the skills we have they're adding content.



"It's just bull."

Ok, well you turned me around on my way of thinking. Holy hell, hard to argue against your logic there.

Thanks.

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Indy Rider
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-07 02:52:35 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:


For example:
I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode?


Thats what I want to know. Though personally I find it more likely that in that case you wouldn't get Gallente BC.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#28 - 2012-03-07 02:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Indy Rider wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:


For example:
I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode?


Thats what I want to know. Though personally I find it more likely that in that case you wouldn't get Gallente BC.


Had you read the blog

"Due to the way nested requirements work, it would also mean pilots would not need to re-train anything to fly Battleships or Cruisers."

Their principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today"
Indy Rider
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-03-07 03:06:11 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Indy Rider wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:


For example:
I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode?


Thats what I want to know. Though personally I find it more likely that in that case you wouldn't get Gallente BC.


Had you read the blog

"Due to the way nested requirements work, it would also mean pilots would not need to re-train anything to fly Battleships or Cruisers."


Yes. The part I'm not entirely clear on, is for example, consider that someone never had the pre reqs Minmatar Frigate and Cruiser to the required levels to fly the Hurricane in the first place, yet had BC5 to fly the Harbinger. Therefore, they couldn't fly a Hurricane today, so they have no reason to get given Minmatar Battlecruiser V. It seems, with BC5 people will get racial BC5, they've also said no need to retrain, what if they never trained those skills in the first place?
Endeavour Starfleet
#30 - 2012-03-07 03:25:24 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.


"Get over it"

Do you have ANY idea how long it takes to crosstrain the relevant skills to fly multiple types of BC properly?
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-03-07 03:28:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Shogun Archer
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.


"Get over it"

Do you have ANY idea how long it takes to crosstrain the relevant skills to fly multiple types of BC properly?


And?

You did it for cruisers and BS. It's not like you are the only one that would have to do it.
It would probably take about 4-5 days to get the BC skill of any specific race to 4. Big deal.

Most people would only train Drake anyway, sadly. Hell, maybe it would weed out some of the Drake spammers.

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Kezbet
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-03-07 03:31:15 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.


So if CCP made a mistake by not making racial versions of the BC/Destroyer skills and they now want to fix their mistake why should we be punished? Right now I have a character with perfect skills to fly any battlecruiser in the game and you are saying I'm a "softy" because I expect to be able to continue to do so?
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-03-07 03:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.


"Get over it"

Do you have ANY idea how long it takes to crosstrain the relevant skills to fly multiple types of BC properly?




I think that was his point, he's basically saying it should be fair to everyone if it happens which means you only get back the sp that you trained to reuse on the new syetem. Which means you would only have enough to fly one race's BC.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-03-07 03:34:41 UTC
Kezbet wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.


So if CCP made a mistake by not making racial versions of the BC/Destroyer skills and they now want to fix their mistake why should we be punished? Right now I have a character with perfect skills to fly any battlecruiser in the game and you are saying I'm a "softy" because I expect to be able to continue to do so?


Yes, I am saying you are a softy.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#35 - 2012-03-07 03:42:24 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Why in the heck are people still complaining?


Because they suffer from ADD and cant bother comprehending such a long blog.


I suffer from AD&D, first edition. Where are the Cheetohs?

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-03-07 03:46:37 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
Kezbet wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.


So if CCP made a mistake by not making racial versions of the BC/Destroyer skills and they now want to fix their mistake why should we be punished? Right now I have a character with perfect skills to fly any battlecruiser in the game and you are saying I'm a "softy" because I expect to be able to continue to do so?


Yes, I am saying you are a softy.


I'm really glad CCP doesn't listen to people like you.

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Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-03-07 03:50:54 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:


I think that was his point, he's basically saying it should be fair to everyone

I thought he was basically saying "softy."
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-03-07 03:52:39 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
Kezbet wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.

Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.

Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.

The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly.


So if CCP made a mistake by not making racial versions of the BC/Destroyer skills and they now want to fix their mistake why should we be punished? Right now I have a character with perfect skills to fly any battlecruiser in the game and you are saying I'm a "softy" because I expect to be able to continue to do so?


Yes, I am saying you are a softy.


I'm really glad CCP doesn't listen to people like you.



Maybe they should.

If a system is altered it should be fair to all their customers, not just favouring a few.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-03-07 04:01:00 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Maybe they should.

If a system is altered it should be fair to all their customers, not just favouring a few.


If CCP wants to fix their mistakes that is fantastic. Punishing their customers is the wrong way to do it and luckily it looks like they realize this. If a few people are upset about this and ragequit over it they certainly won't be missed.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#40 - 2012-03-07 04:01:05 UTC
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