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Rant Over, All 4 racial BC 5 to replace current BC 5
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#1 - 2012-03-07 00:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
SKILLS:

  • Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.
    • Alara IonStorm
    #2 - 2012-03-07 00:54:58 UTC
    Don't worry. Their was a recent stealth buff.

    CCP has electrified the button.
    Grey Stormshadow
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #3 - 2012-03-07 01:07:57 UTC
    IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    SKILLS:

  • Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.

    • Bah... couldn't care less.

    They should just delete the removed skills and reimburse the skillpoints and skillbooks from those.
    After that people can spend the point to what ever they like. Obviously it is impossible to fly all faction BC's with the amount of points reimbursed, but that will be absolutely same for everyone. If you had trained some skill to 5, you get more skillpoints back than player who had trained some skill only to 4 ... and yes - you can put all those skillpoints even to mining upgrades skill if u please to do so.

    Life is choices - this is an easy one.

    If they give more skill points to player A than player B - there is much greater problem and much more whining coming.

    Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

    Play with the best - die like the rest
    David Rivard
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #4 - 2012-03-07 01:11:04 UTC
    No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.

    I clicked unsub four times
    Grey Stormshadow
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #5 - 2012-03-07 01:12:30 UTC
    David Rivard wrote:
    No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.

    I clicked unsub four times

    You're the minority - how does it feel ?

    Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

    Play with the best - die like the rest
    Mr Epeen
    It's All About Me
    #6 - 2012-03-07 01:14:58 UTC
    Grey Stormshadow wrote:
    IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    SKILLS:

  • Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.

    • Bah... couldn't care less.

    They should just delete the removed skills and reimburse the skillpoints and skillbooks from those.
    After that people can spend the point to what ever they like. Obviously it is impossible to fly all faction BC's with the amount of points reimbursed, but that will be absolutely same for everyone. If you had trained some skill to 5, you get more skillpoints back than player who had trained some skill only to 4 ... and yes - you can put all those skillpoints even to mining upgrades skill if u please to do so.

    Life is choices - this is an easy one.

    If they give more skill points to player A than player B - there is much greater problem and much more whining coming.


    I would just like the option to opt out if it comes to that. I have some hyper specialized characters that just don't need in any way a bunch of unneeded SP in places I don't want it.

    Still early yet with the SP thing and I'm sure they haven't figured it out themselves. But options are always good.

    Mr Epeen Cool
    IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
    Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
    #7 - 2012-03-07 01:17:08 UTC
    If they didn't decide to give people racial BC5 / Dessie you will suddenly have people unable to fly all their dictors or CS for up to 4 months post-patch. That sounds fun.


    Luckily CCP have spoken and we will have the racial skills to 5 so its a non-issue, train them now if you want them post patch.
    Grey Stormshadow
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #8 - 2012-03-07 01:22:12 UTC
    Mr Epeen wrote:
    Grey Stormshadow wrote:
    IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    SKILLS:

  • Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.

    • Bah... couldn't care less.

    They should just delete the removed skills and reimburse the skillpoints and skillbooks from those.
    After that people can spend the point to what ever they like. Obviously it is impossible to fly all faction BC's with the amount of points reimbursed, but that will be absolutely same for everyone. If you had trained some skill to 5, you get more skillpoints back than player who had trained some skill only to 4 ... and yes - you can put all those skillpoints even to mining upgrades skill if u please to do so.

    Life is choices - this is an easy one.

    If they give more skill points to player A than player B - there is much greater problem and much more whining coming.


    I would just like the option to opt out if it comes to that. I have some hyper specialized characters that just don't need in any way a bunch of unneeded SP in places I don't want it.

    Still early yet with the SP thing and I'm sure they haven't figured it out themselves. But options are always good.

    Mr Epeen Cool


    Yea... it may be that easiest option for ccp is to reimburse entire starship skill tree from the parts it is even remotely linked to the changes so people can then freely put their points back where they want to.

    Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

    Play with the best - die like the rest
    David Rivard
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #9 - 2012-03-07 01:25:10 UTC
    Grey Stormshadow wrote:
    David Rivard wrote:
    No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.

    I clicked unsub four times

    You're the minority - how does it feel ?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?
    Katrina Oniseki
    Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
    Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
    #10 - 2012-03-07 01:32:56 UTC
    David Rivard wrote:
    Grey Stormshadow wrote:
    David Rivard wrote:
    No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.

    I clicked unsub four times

    You're the minority - how does it feel ?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?

    Katrina Oniseki
    IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
    Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
    #11 - 2012-03-07 01:37:17 UTC
    Katrina Oniseki wrote:
    David Rivard wrote:
    Grey Stormshadow wrote:
    David Rivard wrote:
    No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.

    I clicked unsub four times

    You're the minority - how does it feel ?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?
    Vaal Erit
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #12 - 2012-03-07 01:40:21 UTC
    IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
    Katrina Oniseki wrote:
    David Rivard wrote:
    Grey Stormshadow wrote:
    David Rivard wrote:
    No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.

    I clicked unsub four times

    You're the minority - how does it feel ?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?

    You're the minority - how does it feel?
    Corina Jarr
    en Welle Shipping Inc.
    #13 - 2012-03-07 01:42:25 UTC
    Oh shut up already, who cares about minorities... that didn't come out right.



    Anyway, great idea, not sure on the quality execution until after they do it.

    Also love the tier removal and rebalance.
    S0mveraa
    If You're Reading This You Suck
    #14 - 2012-03-07 01:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: S0mveraa
    Tier removal and re-balancing of ships is awesome. What in the hell is wrong with a generic BC and destroyer skill tho? Other then making me have to train destroyers to atleast 4 on multiple accounts, in multiple different races now, even tho i don't even USE a destroyer on any of them. I've played eve for 5 years, if this happens as stated in the dev blog, i'm out.


    P.S. Yup, crying like a new born baby over this, i'll take my dozen or so accounts and ....
    Sasha Azala
    Doomheim
    #15 - 2012-03-07 01:47:30 UTC
    IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    SKILLS:

  • Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.




    • As people have only spent x amount of time training them they should only get the same amount back.
    Corina Jarr
    en Welle Shipping Inc.
    #16 - 2012-03-07 01:50:01 UTC
    S0mveraa wrote:
    Tier removal and re-balancing of ships is awesome. What in the hell is wrong with a generic BC and destroyer skill tho? Other then making me have to train destroyers to atleast 4 on multiple accounts, in multiple different races now, even tho i don't even USE a destroyer on any of them. I've played eve for 5 years, if this happens as stated in the dev blog, i'm out.

    If you can already fly the ship, you won't have to worry about a thing.

    If you can't fly the ship, and wanted to, then you will just have to do a little extra training.


    Anyway, the reason this has to be done is because as it stands, the skill tree is unfinished (CCP standard up until Crucible). When the added the dessies and BCs to the game, they just stuck them in without changing the other ship skill trees. They are just now finishing the job.
    Shogun Archer
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #17 - 2012-03-07 01:57:51 UTC
    They should have just had racial BC and Dessie in the first place.

    All they need to do to fix it is let you have the SPs you've spent on BC or Destroyers and reallocate them to the specific racial ship(s) of your choice...

    How is this even debatable?

    You don't get free skill points just because you trained BC to 5.

    Entitlement kiddies, please keep the whines to yourselves. It's kinda pathetic.

    If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
    Gilat Sumat
    Doomheim
    #18 - 2012-03-07 01:58:49 UTC
    Corina Jarr wrote:
    Anyway, the reason this has to be done is because as it stands, the skill tree is unfinished (CCP standard up until Crucible). When the added the dessies and BCs to the game, they just stuck them in without changing the other ship skill trees. They are just now finishing the job.


    I wouldn't call it finishing the job parse, but they are doing something. How long have the dessies and BCs been in game (6 or 7 years right?) Pretty long time before coming up with an epiphany...
    Corina Jarr
    en Welle Shipping Inc.
    #19 - 2012-03-07 02:00:52 UTC
    Shogun Archer wrote:
    They should have just had racial BC and Dessie in the first place.

    All they need to do to fix it is let you have the SPs you've spent on BC or Destroyers and reallocate them to the specific racial ship(s) of your choice...

    How is this even debatable?

    You don't get free skill points just because you trained BC to 5.

    Entitlement kiddies, please keep the whines to yourselves. It's kinda pathetic.

    No they have to (per their own admission) give the "free" skill points.

    We can already fly the ships. Some of us have and use the BCs of more than one race. It would be completely moronic to expect us not to be able to use ships we have been using since their introduction.

    Anyway, the SP isn't free, as the required SP doesn't yet exist.
    Corina Jarr
    en Welle Shipping Inc.
    #20 - 2012-03-07 02:03:26 UTC
    Though my question is, how will they handle paradoxes?

    For example:
    I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode?
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