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What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#21 - 2012-03-07 10:49:19 UTC
Have you ever looked at what happens in Inc fleets beyond the isk?

Most inc runners are the OLD L4 nullbear alts, who instead of sitting in null sec grinding anoms or ratting or doing exploration or whs will log on their old L4 alt in high sec and join comms and do a variant of a CTA to make isk. Ive watched so many inc runners log off for different alliances CTA ops while running them. Entire fleets will log off for these and once the OP is over based on Eve-kill postings they will log back on and run Incs. Rinse, repeat.

Its straight isk with LP rewards solely geared for top of the line pirating and isk making Hardwirings and all things CAPITAL ship mod. No salvaging, looting or reproing needed. Just straight bounty style system in a standard null sec OP interface of win/lose without the ship death.

So really its a permanent revolving CTA where instead of losing isk or gaining killmails its isk grinding until the other real CTAs or fleets pop up.

That is ALL incursions are. Period.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-03-07 10:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
OP you think incursion runners dont add to the rest of eve? man pull your head out of your own rear end and see the bigger picture.


1. where to PI Poco gantries bpc's come from? yes thats right concord lp stores

2. where do meta 2 capital mods come from? yes thats right concord lp store

3. where do the 6% hardwiring implants come from? yes thats right concord lp store

4. where do concord LP comes from? yes incursions

Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-03-07 11:10:51 UTC
Anastasia Shimaya wrote:
Xyla Vulchanus wrote:
What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?

Inflation


Hmmm, every activity has some sort of isk sink
Null has SOV bills/wars as a isk sink,
Low has... well low is low...
Normal highsec corps have POSes as isk sinks
and most professions have some sort a "cost of doing business" isk sink

What isk sinks do incursioners have to keep them from winning eve?, lol


Its pretty simple really. All those deadspace mods; where to they come from? Incursion runners pay billions out to Null Sec people who then go and get those billions blown up. However incurions runners never lose their ships, there only outgoing once they have there 10b ISK epeen is ammunition which they probably get from an LP store. At that point they offer nothing to EVE.

That said, Incursions do pay out to much. I did 4 hours the other day in high sec and raked in 480m ISK not including LP's. It would have been over 500m but we took a break. ;)

OR

Make the areas around incursions Concord free. Security penalties still apply but Concord won't show up if you shoot up a shiney fleet.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2012-03-07 11:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
[quote=Anastasia Shimaya]

And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole Cool

......and just how did YOU add to the EVE Universe today?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-03-07 13:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Farang Lo
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Anastasia Shimaya wrote:


And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole Cool


......and just how did YOU add to the EVE Universe today?


Farang Lo wrote:
your shiny T3??
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-03-07 13:22:37 UTC
David Grogan wrote:


Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.

proof??
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-03-07 13:24:21 UTC
Farang Lo wrote:
David Grogan wrote:


Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.

proof??


Allot do. Many PVP'ers are feeding there wallet with Incursions because null sec ISK making was nerfed so badly that many regions of space were unable to supply enough ISK for the the people living there.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#28 - 2012-03-07 14:44:27 UTC
ISK?

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-03-07 17:02:13 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Farang Lo wrote:
David Grogan wrote:


Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.

proof??


Allot do. Many PVP'ers are feeding there wallet with Incursions because null sec ISK making was nerfed so badly that many regions of space were unable to supply enough ISK for the the people living there.

you just prove that how broken incursion is
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-03-07 17:08:16 UTC
Mainly a lot of bitching and whinning from nullsec and lowsec players who cannot afford a second account to run them in highsec
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#31 - 2012-03-07 17:24:33 UTC
God, I wish people would stop complaining about incursions until they fix tech moons...

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-03-07 17:33:19 UTC
I do incursions and do not dock up as OP says but I also do scanning/plexing both in high sec and low sec, I build ships, I do PI and I also pvp amongst other things. Therefore OP is wrong. 
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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-03-07 17:40:35 UTC
They add a massive isk fountain, which increases the price of everythign as there is more isk than anyone sane would ever need to play spaceships with. And I suppse they might be tempted to RMT with it, I mean Misanth says he made 21 billion isk in a month, that would be a nice little earner on the side wouldnt it?

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#34 - 2012-03-07 17:42:42 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
They add a massive isk fountain, which increases the price of everythign as there is more isk than anyone sane would ever need to play spaceships with. And I suppse they might be tempted to RMT with it, I mean Misanth says he made 21 billion isk in a month, that would be a nice little earner on the side wouldnt it?


That's convenient - your alliance is making billions a month moon mining! I suppose one highseccer RMTing would be awful, but your alliance botting is fine?

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#35 - 2012-03-07 18:49:31 UTC
I think they add the idea of dynamic NPC events, the problem with them so far is it's just one faction.
Were is the Blood raiders ect ect. Put them in make them different, I for one would pod people to give them to blood raiders guys in events so they can drain there pod pilot blood. The way this works now makes sense for the faction, but the others would need different things catering to different play styles.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#36 - 2012-03-07 19:00:17 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
OP you think incursion runners dont add to the rest of eve? man pull your head out of your own rear end and see the bigger picture.


1. where to PI Poco gantries bpc's come from? yes thats right concord lp stores

2. where do meta 2 capital mods come from? yes thats right concord lp store

3. where do the 6% hardwiring implants come from? yes thats right concord lp store

4. where do concord LP comes from? yes incursions

Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.


Agreed, Examples of hypocracy and talking out of both sides of thier mouth are abundant on the forums. "I'm a leetboi PvP'er and carebears are Evil" but the leetboi PvP'er is the nub job that buys the LP store Cal Navy Invuln for his leetboi gankmobile maelstrom because T2 isnt good enough. Of course if everyone was a PvP l33tboi, there wouldn't be any T2 or Navy fits or Incursion modules and we would be using whatever CCP seeded.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#37 - 2012-03-07 19:24:05 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
They add a massive isk fountain, which increases the price of everythign as there is more isk than anyone sane would ever need to play spaceships with. And I suppse they might be tempted to RMT with it, I mean Misanth says he made 21 billion isk in a month, that would be a nice little earner on the side wouldnt it?


That's convenient - your alliance is making billions a month moon mining! I suppose one highseccer RMTing would be awful, but your alliance botting is fine?

Provide proof of a bot in our alliance and we will see him removed.

Painfully.

FA is an anti botting alliance, and we do check(I've been asked if I was a bot while idling in a pos by an alliance officer).

Moongoo, incidentally, does not create isk, it creates materials to make T2 products with. It doesn't drive prices up, tho a lack of it(or a cartel) can drive up T2 prices.

Too bad no one has a monopoly on it, and the holders are pretty much all bitter enemies.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#38 - 2012-03-07 19:25:30 UTC
Ioci wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
OP you think incursion runners dont add to the rest of eve? man pull your head out of your own rear end and see the bigger picture.


1. where to PI Poco gantries bpc's come from? yes thats right concord lp stores

2. where do meta 2 capital mods come from? yes thats right concord lp store

3. where do the 6% hardwiring implants come from? yes thats right concord lp store

4. where do concord LP comes from? yes incursions

Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.


Agreed, Examples of hypocracy and talking out of both sides of thier mouth are abundant on the forums. "I'm a leetboi PvP'er and carebears are Evil" but the leetboi PvP'er is the nub job that buys the LP store Cal Navy Invuln for his leetboi gankmobile maelstrom because T2 isnt good enough. Of course if everyone was a PvP l33tboi, there wouldn't be any T2 or Navy fits or Incursion modules and we would be using whatever CCP seeded.

Sadly, maelstroms make terrible gankmobiles. The hulltype you are looking for is either tengu, vagabond, or dramiel.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-03-07 19:44:54 UTC
Xyla Vulchanus wrote:
What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?

Inflation


As one of those who sells overpriced items to the Incursion community, I look forward to buying several rounds of overpriced drinks in their honor.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#40 - 2012-03-07 19:48:50 UTC
Incursion runners are part of the mission running career path... the video of Sansha is the one shown in the career path of bounty hunters!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'