EVE General Discussion

Was looking at the new website and noticed the "career paths" listed (Pirate, salvager, miner, etc) I noticed all those career paths contributed not only to the individual but the EVE universe as a whole (butterfly effect)

For example let say Player A wanted to be a pirate, instantly he has decided to provide pvp content (consensual and unconsensual pvp) to the EVE universe, sometimes he'll win (kills, gear, tears) and sometimes he'll lose (Gets killed, loses gear, gives tears)
Its the beauty of EVE... give and take, risk and reward, and at the end it contributes to adding content for everyone else.

Then you look at an Incursioner.
What does he add to the rest of the EVE universe (players) does his "career path" have a give and take/risk & reward/ pro and con
Well lets see:
Player A decides he wants to do highsec incursions, and basically does group pve. He makes a TON of isk basically rendering any other career path useless for him. At the end (well when the site eventually stops getting farmed) he counts his isk and decides this is the only thing for him and docks his ship waiting for another incursion

Did Player A add to the wider EVE universe?No
Is there any incentive for Player A to choose any other career path that might add to EVE as a whole?No
Are there any "Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield" risk for incursioners?No

So what does the Incursioner add to the EVE universe content wise? Nothing (Unless inflation and incursion powerblocks with unlimited money that get to decide who gets to do incursions and who gets merc wardeced is content)
Basically its all take and no give, EVE welfare queens lol

The only thing incursioners do is freeload off the work of everyone else(ship builders, miners, scientist, traders, etc), while those same workers isk get them less and less cause incursioners are buying up and raise the prices. Not to mention that perfect security is provided (Concord) so unless you plan to gank, those ships are untouchable.

NOTE:And please don't say "It helps highsecers get together and have fun" I've seen guys get laughed out of the incursion channel for not having a "minimum" pimped out faction/officer/deadspace fitted Nightmare... the vast majority of highsec don't even get to do incursions

And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole
Incursion Bears attack formation: Flame

Incursion runners do what they do because incursions are part of the game and they enjoy that part of the game.

Do they need more reason than that?

Mr Epeen

Think he was asking what content they contribute to other players outside of incursions

Bottom line for CCP is that they add a subscription paying customer to the EVE universe.

In general they add faction fit pinatas to shoot at, customers for the PLEX market, a source of income for the null boys needing to sell officer mods, training for cooperative combat in a relatively safe environment, etc.

I could think of more but I think you might get the idea.

Mr Epeen

i am not an Incursionrunner

But what do you add to the EvE universe ,may i ask?

Odd you think concord provides perfect protection. There are many goons and ice miners who have found otherwise.

Incursion runners do add one thing due to Loyalty points. The content provided by incursion runners is LP store items that they sell.

One thing: they add an arena and a context in which more casual, non-corp-bound players can learn basic fleet setup, discipline and functionality.

so how does a wh-player contribute to other players?

1/10

got some bites, but too obviously an attack.

Finally we see some form of "sticking up for the incursion runner"

What does anyone really contribute to a game which in some years will be shut down anyway? All those nice rare items you collected....poof gone.

People pay their sub which entitles them to do whatever they please in the game. If incursions take their fancy then who is ANYBODY to criticise.

Incursions are a great way for people to get the feel of how a fleet works, this is a good step to low and null.