EVE General Discussion

Just once I wish all these "whine first, think later" people would really ragequit !

If your that unhappy, why dont u leave right now? ow wait because ur like ever other gamer ur cry but never leave.

You will see another wave soon. No worries ! Just chill and be ready all world will be yours !!

Yeah because they wont add shield skills to increase that lost training time...
Or have skills to make the old subcaps useful for bitter vets... oh wait...

Excellent change. A move away from the brainless “durr… bigger is better” and towards a more intelligent selection of ships where you pick the right ship for the task, even among the T1s. The transition will be messy, sure, but it will be for the better (and I'm not being affected in any way… so yay for being nerf-proof ). This will smarten up the game considerably.

The only ever-so-slight worry is the reduced requirement for caps, but the only real change this will make is that it will be a bit easier to create a supercap-parking alt. Big deal.

The changes does not have to happen all at once. When CCP has finalized the changes, assuming it is whats been said in the Dev Blog, then -

Step 1 - Release new skill several months in advance while giving out 1 free remap. This gives players the option to start training them early.

Step 2 - On release day, reduce the skills requirements and bonus for T2 Destroyers and T2 Battlecruisers to Racial Frigate 5 and Racial Cruiser 5 respectively, previously requiring Destroyers and Battlecruisers Level 5. Leaving Command Ships and Interdictors skill bonus as it is. While reimbursing trained SPs in Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill.

Step 3 - After several more months, then finalize the proposed changes to the new skill requirements for T2 Destroyers and T2 Battlecruisers, requiring level 5 in the new Racial Destroyers and Racial Battlecruisers skill.

This method maybe a long drawn one, but CCP does not have to give out any free SPs, which I'm totally against. Also, I'm not too concerned about T1 Destroyers or T1 Battlecruisers as training the new Racial skills to level 4 doesn't take long anyway.

Regular caps are awesome and I'd love to see it made easier for newer people to get into them. Hopefully the balance that out by making supercaps harder to get into (or just remove them).

I post about a lot things that aren't related to WiS. It just seems like I post a lot about Space Barbies because they need so much more guidance than most of the other populations within Eve.

…also, I can't help noticing (and laughing at) how many people in the feedback thread seem to have completely forgotten about these things called “support skills” and “secondary prerequisites”. The last five pages (at the time of reading) are full of “onoz, new players have to train for 4× as long as vets! unfair!”, never mind that the bulk of the training time is not in the ship skills but in… well… everything else, and that some of that “everything else” is actually being removed.

Eg, removing the redundant prereqs (such as spaceship command appearing multiple times all over the place) on the trusty old Nighthawk we have the following prereq list:

Caldari Cruiser V (×5)
     Caldari Frigate IV (×2)
Command Ships I (×8)
     Battlecruisers V (×6)
     Warfare Link Specialist IV (×6)
          Leadership V (×1)
     Spaceship Command V (×1)
Heavy Assault Ship IV (×6)
     Assault Ships IV (×4)
          Engineering V (×1)
          Mechanic V (×1)
     Weapon Upgrades V (×2)
          Gunnery II (×1)

Under the new scheme, the [racial] battlecruisers skill will replace the [racial] cruiser skill, and you will have to train four of them (rank 6 skills, ogosh) to get all field CSes — onoz! Or is it…? What will the new prereq tree look like?

Caldari Battlecruiser V (×6)
     Caldari Cruiser IV (×5)
          Caldari Frigate IV (×2)
Command Ships I (×6)
     Warfare Link Specialist IV (×6)
          Leadership V (×1)
     Spaceship Command V (×1)

…and that's it. The key part of the prereq shuffle that seems to be overlooked by many is the removal of those cross-tier prerequisites — HACs no longer nead assault frigates; CSes no longer need HACs and Logi. So the poor newbie who now has to to train four battlecruiser skills instead of one, (that's 3 rank-6 skills or 4.6M SP) also doesn't have to train four cruiser skills to V (saving 3.3M SP by just taking them to lvl IV), and doesn't have to train HACs IV, AS IV, Engy V, Mech V, WU V (saving another 1.9M SP). All in all, those chunks cut out saves the new player 5,661,360 SP that he doesn't have to train compared to the current system, in exchange for having to train an additional 4,608,000 SP to get all four battlecruiser skills. It's been a while since I took a maths class, but I don't recall ever seeing “one million less” be the same as “four times more”.

And that's just for the field command ship side — never mind what happens if we include the fleet command bit and have to include all the Logi skills. The buff to the old adage of “specialise to catch up faster” is quite significant…

Ok but where is thee problem