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Warning Forums are going to Explode. New Dev Blog on Skill Training and Ship Balance.

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Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-03-06 19:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dbars Grinding
Caps and Tech 3s for everyone!!!

you win a cap!

and you win a cap!

You all win caps!!!!

/Oprah meme

I have more space likes than you. 
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#42 - 2012-03-06 19:37:01 UTC
Becuase they're not just screwing trees up.

They are going to go in and hamemr alot of ships back out.

No more frigates with 4 slots total becuase its a 'tier 2'

No more cruisers that make you go wtf are you flying that for?

I mean overall people who enjoy flying tech 1's should celebrate this is the buff they're looking for.

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Alara IonStorm
#43 - 2012-03-06 19:39:27 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
Caps a and Tech 3s for everyone!!!

you win a cap!

and you win a cap!

You all win caps!!!!

Best reaction yet.

I would like an Archon with a Bumper Sticker that says I am to Sexy for this Thread.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-03-06 19:40:58 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:

No more frigates with 4 slots total becuase its a 'tier 2'

No more cruisers that make you go wtf are you flying that for?


Honestly, this. This is all I'm asking for.

I told a buddy I'm training for a Nemesis, and he said "Dear god, why?! Go Hound or Manticore." If they fix this stuff, I don't care what I have to train for it, I'll be one happy camper.
Alara IonStorm
#45 - 2012-03-06 19:42:56 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Becuase they're not just screwing trees up.

They are going to go in and hamemr alot of ships back out.

No more frigates with 4 slots total becuase its a 'tier 2'

No more cruisers that make you go wtf are you flying that for?

I mean overall people who enjoy flying tech 1's should celebrate this is the buff they're looking for.

As an RvB'er who enjoys using those crap ships and has a front row seat to their terribleness I am very happy.

Might even see them flying around outside of RvB. Blink
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#46 - 2012-03-06 19:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Predicts market crash in 3 months as suddenly useless ships become suddenly useful? :D

I am seriously thinking about sitting down and making a thought out post concerning this that will hopefully hush some people up.

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FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-03-06 19:48:00 UTC
Honestly I think it's long overdue. There is no dumbing down, simply removing artificial barriers to ship balancing. Sure, no tiers are a "scary proposition" because we're so used to them ,but we really do need rebalancing on a lot of ships.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#48 - 2012-03-06 19:50:13 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Predicts market crash in 3 months as suddenly useless ships become suddenly useful? :D

I am seriously thinking about sitting down and making a thought out post concerning this that will hopefully hush some people up.


My you sure are an optimist. Are you sure you're on the right forums?
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#49 - 2012-03-06 20:20:27 UTC
The changes are not to dumb down Eve and it's simply stupid to think as such. The changes are to remove the barriers to balance and make all ships useful again. If anyone out there thinks it's a move to "dumb down" Eve, what do you call the current status quo with homogenous drake fleets and most of the ships existent completely useless?

And the argument that reducing capital training time will increase the number of capitals is the same faulty logic that CCP adopted by making Titans so expensive and difficult to produce so it would limit their numbers. The players will always find a way.

I applaud at least the general direction the changes are going and look forward to flying ships I don't for more reasons than a novelty factor.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#50 - 2012-03-06 20:24:23 UTC
Time to train up so I can fly BCs (BC to V) and Destroyers (to V) of all races and then buy one of each so I can petition CCP to give my the SP to cover the sudden loss of ability? No way that kind of thing won't cause ripples.

I don't mind them doing it, but I am not sure how they are going to do it fairly.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Alara IonStorm
#51 - 2012-03-06 20:33:08 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
Time to train up so I can fly BCs (BC to V) and Destroyers (to V) of all races and then buy one of each so I can petition CCP to give my the SP to cover the sudden loss of ability? No way that kind of thing won't cause ripples.

I don't mind them doing it, but I am not sure how they are going to do it fairly.

They haven't said how they will do it but they have said this.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-03-06 20:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Having generic Battle Cruiser and Destroyer Skills always seemed wrong with every other ships having racial I-V... But I really don't care in the long run...
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#53 - 2012-03-06 20:51:09 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
Time to train up so I can fly BCs (BC to V) and Destroyers (to V) of all races and then buy one of each so I can petition CCP to give my the SP to cover the sudden loss of ability? No way that kind of thing won't cause ripples.

I don't mind them doing it, but I am not sure how they are going to do it fairly.

They haven't said how they will do it but they have said this.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.


And I did read this as well. I am not posting a 'sky is falling' comment, but a potential abuse of the system. As it stands right now, you would potentially benefit hugely if you have Destroyer to V (500,000 SP) and Battlecruiser to V (1.5 million SP) done now because to 'make it fair and flyable' you would suddenly have to be given four Racial Destroyer to V and four Racial Battlecruiser to V or a bonus of potentially 6million SP under the current system. So long as I had the required skills to fly all four races I could lay claim to such a thing, and that only requires a day of training for per race to claim. But failure to plan such a thing ahead of time could mean the potential of having to train that same six million SP in the future if you wanted it.

The people in the middle are the ones who are going to be pissed off.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Mister Alt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-03-06 20:53:41 UTC
If they do as they say and let you fly everything you can now then there's going to be some major SP whorage.

Either:
1) They look at which cruisers you have to 3 and give you enough SP to get the racial battlecruiser skills to whatever you ahve battlecruisers at now, at which point everyone and their ****** cousin trains every cruiser to 3 for more remappable SP, regardless of whether they put it into that racial BC.

Or, well... I dont know.

What I do know is someone shouldnt let their cousin do game design.
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#55 - 2012-03-06 20:55:30 UTC
Cyrus Deacon wrote:
Jesus christ... Is this the prelude to "press a button and something awesome should happen" ?

Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS


Due to an increase in the availability of "Super Coffins" They need some really dumb noobs to train it up really fast to get the market moving again....Cool

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Alara IonStorm
#56 - 2012-03-06 20:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
MadMuppet wrote:

The people in the middle are the ones who are going to be pissed off.

And the rest after that because they are increasing training time. Yes their will be a cut off sure and some people will beo n the wrong side of that and have to train like every new player.

It would not surprise me if the lowered SP Requirements on ships to cover the new skills.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-03-06 21:02:56 UTC
Read the Devblog 3 times...I fail to see where they say they are killing the Tier system.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#58 - 2012-03-06 21:05:27 UTC
Avid Bumhumper wrote:
Cyrus Deacon wrote:
Jesus christ... Is this the prelude to "press a button and something awesome should happen" ?

Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS


Due to an increase in the availability of "Super Coffins" They need some really dumb noobs to train it up really fast to get the market moving again....Cool



That would be fukin' hilarious if this was all because there were more Supers than pilots to fly them.

Tin foil time.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alara IonStorm
#59 - 2012-03-06 21:07:14 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Read the Devblog 3 times...I fail to see where they say they are killing the Tier system.

It is right here.

Dev Blog wrote:
Introducing ship lines

That is why we want to remove ship tiers altogether, then refocus our balancing philosophy to be based on role. That means finding common themes, or lines that fit ships with the same purpose, then adjusting slot layout, HP and fittings within each class to support this goal.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#60 - 2012-03-06 21:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Predicts market crash in 3 months as suddenly useless ships become suddenly useful? :D

I am seriously thinking about sitting down and making a thought out post concerning this that will hopefully hush some people up.


My you sure are an optimist. Are you sure you're on the right forums?


yes but I am going to address this to the masses not ccp this time.

Still cost of the books will still get in the way of people sitting in caps. Then supporting skills...

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