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[Q] Setting up a POS for invention
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Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#1 - 2012-03-06 15:54:11 UTC
So I'm thinking to get a small POS purely for inventions, and maybe copying.
I've never done this, so I have few questions -

1. Is all I need is only controll tower and mobile laboratory's?
2. Will fuel blocks and Mandate starbase charters will be consumed only from controll tower, or it could be also be consumed from corporate hangar or silo?
3. Do you need personal or corporate standings (of 6.0+ if you want to set it up in 0.6 space?)?
4. Do I need any defence modules for it if my corp have no wars and it will be docked at 0.6 space?
5. According tower stats, it has 1kk structure hitpoints, and 99% rezists, so someone will have to do 100 kk dmg in order to destroy it?
6. Will concord defend my POS if someone attack it in high-sec?
7. As much as I know, it must be anchored at moon? Nowhere else?
8. If 7 is yes - Can you anchor more than 1 POS per moon?
9. Is there anything else I should know before even trying to do this?

Thanks.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-03-06 16:04:23 UTC
1. yes
2. yes, all fuel is consumed by the tower itself
3. Corporate, with the faction you want to set it up in (but only for anchoring the tower)
4. not really, if you're gonna tear the tower down when you get dec'd
5. something like that, yes
6. no, because you'll be at war with the other party (seriously, you can't gank a tower)
7. yes, moons only
8. no.
9. POS is not an ISK maker, so run the maths before you set up.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ameron Phinard
#3 - 2012-03-06 16:05:29 UTC
Kiwis23 wrote:
So I'm thinking to get a small POS purely for inventions, and maybe copying.
I've never done this, so I have few questions -

1. Is all I need is only controll tower and mobile laboratory's?
2. Will fuel blocks and Mandate starbase charters will be consumed only from controll tower, or it could be also be consumed from corporate hangar or silo?
3. Do you need personal or corporate standings (of 6.0+ if you want to set it up in 0.6 space?)?
4. Do I need any defence modules for it if my corp have no wars and it will be docked at 0.6 space?
5. According tower stats, it has 1kk structure hitpoints, and 99% rezists, so someone will have to do 100 kk dmg in order to destroy it?
6. Will concord defend my POS if someone attack it in high-sec?
7. As much as I know, it must be anchored at moon? Nowhere else?
8. If 7 is yes - Can you anchor more than 1 POS per moon?
9. Is there anything else I should know before even trying to do this?

Thanks.



  1. Anchor an assembly array for storage
  2. Control tower fuel bay only
  3. Corporation standing
  4. If you get wardecced, just pull the tower down
  5. See above
  6. Yes if not war decced
  7. Correct. Only at a moon.
  8. No more than 1 pos per moon
  9. POS mechanics suck.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2012-03-06 16:35:49 UTC
I've never understood the 99% resist attribute on a control tower, as when I've shot at a control tower, it certainly didn't seem like it had any armor or structure resists at all. It went down pretty fast.

The control tower's shield is what everybody hates having to shoot at it. It is sizeable, and has significant resists, especially if hardeners are online.

Modules definitely have no shield or armor resists, and 99% structure resist, at least while the control tower is present.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#5 - 2012-03-06 16:44:01 UTC
handy link

some of the details are outdated (such as how long it takes to anchor) but in general it has some handy tips and videos.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#6 - 2012-03-06 17:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Think about using a Caldari tower. They have higher CPU levels (at least iirc), which can let you anchor more. Like 2 advanced labs and 1 regular (on a small tower). Which would be something like 7 copy slots and a whole bunch of invention slots.


Don't waste cpu/pg. if you can squeeze something in, do so. Manufacturing arrays make sense.

A component assembly array gives you about 1,000,000 m3 of storage and can churn out fuel blocks for the same CPU (and half the PG) as a corporate hanger. (400,000 m3 less storage. but you'll keep most stuff in station)

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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-06 17:52:06 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Think about using a Caldari tower. They have higher CPU levels (at least iirc), which can let you anchor more. Like 2 advanced labs and 1 regular (on a small tower). Which would be something like 7 copy slots and a whole bunch of invention slots.


Don't waste cpu/pg. if you can squeeze something in, do so. Manufacturing arrays make sense.

A component assembly array gives you about 1,000,000 m3 of storage and can churn out fuel blocks for the same CPU (and half the PG) as a corporate hanger. (400,000 m3 less storage. but you'll keep most stuff in station)


Steve

As the EVE HQ POS modules is still crashing, I don't suppose you could do up a simply CPU/PG POS design spreadsheet and put it one your site?
zerush
Zulu Technologies
#8 - 2012-03-06 18:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: zerush
Jas Dor wrote:


Steve

As the EVE HQ POS modules is still crashing, I don't suppose you could do up a simply CPU/PG POS design spreadsheet and put it one your site?


Take a look here

Edit: It's a bit outdated i know, but maybe still helps ;)
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#9 - 2012-03-07 11:39:06 UTC
hmm. I'll take a look into it

Pretty much you're wanting

Pick a control tower
Add modules, and check to see if the CPU and PG are below the max of the tower
List the slots available
List the resists


right?


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degini
Yo-Yodine Propulsion Systems
#10 - 2012-03-07 17:55:01 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
hmm. I'll take a look into it

Pretty much you're wanting

Pick a control tower
Add modules, and check to see if the CPU and PG are below the max of the tower
List the slots available
List the resists


right?




That is certainly what I am looking for, and have been monitoring this thread for an answer. I assume he would like that as well.

Key is knowing what slots your tower will have, as I dont think many have memorized which labs give which slots.
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#11 - 2012-03-07 18:01:25 UTC
One thing to remember is that most POS Assembly Arrays have a .75 time multiplier on manufacturing, meaning your profit per hour goes up 25%. Helpful for making your POS pay for itself.
degini
Yo-Yodine Propulsion Systems
#12 - 2012-03-07 18:07:51 UTC
Speaking of that. What is the deciding factor between equipment array and rapid equipment? Are there any general guidelines on choosing one over the other? ex. always do T2 modules in the rapid?

I'm finding that invention time is the bottleneck so I am not sure I see the merit in having super fast production time on T2 items, so my logic says I should always use the regular equipment array.

Am I wrong?
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-07 18:40:04 UTC
4. Do I need any defence modules for it if my corp have no wars and it will be docked at 0.6 space?

You do not need defenses online, but once you are war decced you will need to decide on setting up defenses (off-lining some items and placing weapons) or tearing the tower down before the 24 hour countdown ends.

If you are setting up in highsec and you do not have a big corp / alliance people will wardec you simply because they can for the griefing. So if you're small and setup your POS in an active system you could be having to tear down and put up the tower once a week.
TravisWB
#14 - 2012-03-07 19:16:40 UTC
There seem to be plenty of open invention slots in NPC stations so you don't need a pos for that.

Also, the wait for copy slots can be very short as well.

You just need a pos for BPO ME.