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Odd concerns about dust...?

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#21 - 2012-03-06 15:49:36 UTC
Mind you all this is a game the entire industry is looking at.

I wished advertisers would get off thier posteriors and make potential customer look at it as well.

Annoys me to no end when I talk about eve to other people and they go eve? whats that? where world of warcraft or dota is thier extent of the known mmo universe.

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My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-03-06 15:50:35 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
I love Eve, but dear god Dust 514 is going fall so hard on the flat of its face its not even going to be funny to watch, for the following reasons:

1. Kids Play Consoles (kids are stupid)
2. Planetside 2 is coming out around the same time (Dust isnt even gunna be in the same league)
3. Eve players with a PS3 have an advantage over those that dont.

Im sure there are many more but im in work and probably gunna be seen not working any minute now


1 People from 12-35 are the heaviest console player groups, so are 35 year olds kids?
2 When has SOE ever made a successful MMO?
3 Vereses the PS3 players who are now playing eve?

The one reason why they don't want dust 514 on pc is becuase they are very much afraid that if dust fails for whatever reason IT WONT KILL EVE AT THE SAME TIME.

The closest example I can think of would be DIablo III killng a massive chunk of the wow player base. There where significant drops when SC2 came out as well.




In large part, that was because people were purposely playing WOW as a filler until SC2 or D3 came out.

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Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#23 - 2012-03-06 15:51:28 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
I love Eve, but dear god Dust 514 is going fall so hard on the flat of its face its not even going to be funny to watch, for the following reasons:

1. Kids Play Consoles (kids are stupid)
2. Planetside 2 is coming out around the same time (Dust isnt even gunna be in the same league)
3. Eve players with a PS3 have an advantage over those that dont.

Im sure there are many more but im in work and probably gunna be seen not working any minute now


1 People from 12-35 are the heaviest console player groups, so are 35 year olds kids?
2 When has SOE ever made a successful MMO?
3 Vereses the PS3 players who are now playing eve?

The one reason why they don't want dust 514 on pc is becuase they are very much afraid that if dust fails for whatever reason IT WONT KILL EVE AT THE SAME TIME.

The closest example I can think of would be DIablo III killng a massive chunk of the wow player base. There where significant drops when SC2 came out as well.


Yeah.

Personally I know far more people that play console games (usually in addition to PC games) whom are over 20 than teenagers or younger.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-03-06 15:52:49 UTC
Have you ever gotten on any fps with a couple of friends on coms and worked together?

The difference between that and the one man army is devistating on most servers (and I'm terrible at computer games).
Managing to rank the top 5 places when me and some buddies get together, just because we have a couple of medics, a support and a couple of assault setups.

People can 1 man army all they like, it's way more awesome when people work together. I'm hoping this teaches the console FPS croud this.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#25 - 2012-03-06 15:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
SOE took over Planetside, before SOE took over Planetside the game was brilliant, shortly after they took over and ruined the game i quit playing. Im going to give PS2 the benefit of the doubt.

I can just feel that the game wont live up to expectations and gunna be a flop.

What i mean by the "kids play consoles" comment is, you have way more of them playing consoles than you do playing pc games. Whens the last time you had an organised fleet of kids playing Eve?

The mentality wont carry over as others have pointed out. One of the reasons i dont play console FPS' online, i mean there are some ******** people in Eve i know that, but holey hell, they couldnt candle up against the things iv witnessed from console retards.
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-03-06 15:53:15 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Mind you all this is a game the entire industry is looking at.

I wished advertisers would get off thier posteriors and make potential customer look at it as well.

Annoys me to no end when I talk about eve to other people and they go eve? whats that? where world of warcraft or dota is thier extent of the known mmo universe.



I've been saying this for a while.

So few people know what EVE actually is, and even fewer have heard about Dust.

CCP is keeping everything such a secret, that even the game itself is a bit of a secret... And, as such, will not be released with all the fanfare CCP and SONY are expecting. How do you expect people to show interest in a game they don't even know exists...


CCP: "Hey we are going to release this game in a few months... advertising? who needs to advertise? We'll put out a 10 second TV add the day before release and wonder why people didnt get the game..."

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#27 - 2012-03-06 15:54:37 UTC
If dust becomes a smash hit and does one of the predicted side effects (increase eve subs) then they may port it to pc.

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My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-03-06 15:57:45 UTC
I have a dual monitor setup.

My left screen is actually a small widescreen TV... So my PS3 has the HDMI cable running to it.

I have the Logitech F540 headset with both my PC and PS3 simultaneously streaming sound to them.

So I'll be able to have Dust on my left screen, Eve on my right screen and communicate with both at the same time.


/i'm not going to get much of a tan this summer.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#29 - 2012-03-06 16:01:45 UTC
FPS on a console sucks ass and I'll never play Dust because of that. There are, however, hundreds of thousands of people who actually like console shooter mechanics.

I'm guessing Dust will have a great launch. Will it hang on to a loyal player base? I don't know. And neither does anyone else here. That's up to CCP and their ability to get into the head of the average console gamer. They've a good job of keeping the PC end of things up and running, so I will guess that Dust will do just fine.

Mr Epeen Cool
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-03-06 16:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: My Neutral Toon
Mr Epeen wrote:
FPS on a console sucks ass and I'll never play Dust because of that. There are, however, hundreds of thousands of people who actually like console shooter mechanics.

I'm guessing Dust will have a great launch. Will it hang on to a loyal player base? I don't know. And neither does anyone else here. That's up to CCP and their ability to get into the head of the average console gamer. They've a good job of keeping the PC end of things up and running, so I will guess that Dust will do just fine.

Mr Epeen Cool




So, you're going to assume that Dust sucks and not even give it a try? You remind me of PC fan boy elitists that won't play dust just because its on a console or just because the graphics arent as good as the top-of-the-line PC graphics


I'm happy you wont be with us on the ground...

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Nova Fox
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#31 - 2012-03-06 16:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
TBH I havent heard of a PC shooter in forever???

Think the last one I played was Mech warrior 2. Evertyhing else since then has been mostly a Console shooter in disguise.

Take that back Ghost Recon 1 was more recent.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#32 - 2012-03-06 16:13:50 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
You remind me of PC fan boy elitists .


Does an F15 pilot willingly climb into a Piper Cub? Would you rather swim in the ocean or quicksand?

Yes I am a PC elitist when it comes to shooters.

I still wish CCP well with it. Just can't force myself to plug in to a console to support them.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2012-03-06 16:17:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
You remind me of PC fan boy elitists .


Does an F15 pilot willingly climb into a Piper Cub? Would you rather swim in the ocean or quicksand?

Yes I am a PC elitist when it comes to shooters.

I still wish CCP well with it. Just can't force myself to plug in to a console to support them.

Mr Epeen Cool


Hopefully the mouse and keyboard support will mitigate that to a large extent.

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My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-03-06 16:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: My Neutral Toon
Ranger 1 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
You remind me of PC fan boy elitists .


Does an F15 pilot willingly climb into a Piper Cub? Would you rather swim in the ocean or quicksand?

Yes I am a PC elitist when it comes to shooters.

I still wish CCP well with it. Just can't force myself to plug in to a console to support them.

Mr Epeen Cool


Hopefully the mouse and keyboard support will mitigate that to a large extent.



The ONLY difference between console and PC when it comes to DUST 514 (not other fps) is the quality of the GPU. The console doesnt have the same graphics as PC, never will...

But being on the EVE server and having mouse/keyboard support....what else can you nitpick at other than the GPU?

Nothing.... and the people that do only do it to be an elitist and make themselves look/sound cooler than everyone else. lol

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Ranger Corp
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#35 - 2012-03-06 16:35:56 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
You remind me of PC fan boy elitists .


Does an F15 pilot willingly climb into a Piper Cub? Would you rather swim in the ocean or quicksand?

Yes I am a PC elitist when it comes to shooters.

I still wish CCP well with it. Just can't force myself to plug in to a console to support them.

Mr Epeen Cool


Hopefully the mouse and keyboard support will mitigate that to a large extent.



The ONLY difference between console and PC when it comes to DUST 514 (not other fps) is the quality of the GPU. The console doesnt have the same graphics as PC, never will...

But being on the EVE server and having mouse/keyboard support....what else can you nitpick at other than the GPU?

Nothing.... and the people that do only do it to be an elitist and make themselves look/sound cooler than everyone else. lol


Hey, he's only saying console FPS are not his cup of tea... but still believes CCP has an excellent shot at making a successful game in DUST.

I, personally, can live with that. Smile

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Plyn
Uncharted.
#36 - 2012-03-06 16:39:57 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
You remind me of PC fan boy elitists .


Does an F15 pilot willingly climb into a Piper Cub? Would you rather swim in the ocean or quicksand?

Yes I am a PC elitist when it comes to shooters.

I still wish CCP well with it. Just can't force myself to plug in to a console to support them.

Mr Epeen Cool


Hopefully the mouse and keyboard support will mitigate that to a large extent.

One liner ownage....

My friends and I have a long history of crushing opposing teams on console FPS' because we communicate clearly and pay great attention to detail.

DUST is going to be pretty rad, and as Ranger 1 kindly pointed out, if you're using a mouse and keyboard there really isn't much basis for claiming it will be soooooo different from a PC version. Unfortunately, I'll get my *** handed to me by mouse/keyboard combos as studies have shown that their more granular level of control and greater range of motion confer a huge advantage over traditional console controllers, which is where all of my experience is.

Having to completely retrain myself to play mouse/keyboard will probably leave me much more mediocre than I'm used to, but I'm STILL looking forward to DUST.
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-03-06 16:40:33 UTC
Speaking without any credentials whatsoever:

In modern shooters, lone-wolf playstyle often has the most consistent rewards. There are plenty of games that try to steer the other way. MAG, Team Fortress 2, and Tribes: Ascend, for some modern examples.

Not heavily advertising DUST might be a good opening move. It's already guaranteed a small starting pool from EVE players. The first few months can be like a public "post-beta" test. Once it has an established community, with initial bug-fixes, balancing, and feature iteration, then heavy marketing might begin. I guess we'll see. I intend to play regardless. Besides, it's free now. Awesome!

I don't see Planetside 2 as a threat to DUST. Different platforms, and (slightly) different goals.

DUST on PC would probably be easy from a code standpoint (Unreal Engine is pretty flexible), but I want to see CCP come up with a phenomenal, industry-shaking anti-cheat solution before it happens. Kill/death ratio won't be the only thing on the line...

@My Neutral Toon: Be sure and upload to YouTube when you fire orbital lasers on one screen that hit on the other.

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My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-03-06 16:44:05 UTC
Jett0 wrote:
Speaking without any credentials whatsoever:

In modern shooters, lone-wolf playstyle often has the most consistent rewards. There are plenty of games that try to steer the other way. MAG, Team Fortress 2, and Tribes: Ascend, for some modern examples.

Not heavily advertising DUST might be a good opening move. It's already guaranteed a small starting pool from EVE players. The first few months can be like a public "post-beta" test. Once it has an established community, with initial bug-fixes, balancing, and feature iteration, then heavy marketing might begin. I guess we'll see. I intend to play regardless. Besides, it's free now. Awesome!

I don't see Planetside 2 as a threat to DUST. Different platforms, and (slightly) different goals.

DUST on PC would probably be easy from a code standpoint (Unreal Engine is pretty flexible), but I want to see CCP come up with a phenomenal, industry-shaking anti-cheat solution before it happens. Kill/death ratio won't be the only thing on the line...

@My Neutral Toon: Be sure and upload to YouTube when you fire orbital lasers on one screen that hit on the other.




hahaha that would be epic if i could fraps that but the ps3 runs on the HDMI input so I have to change over from PC to HDMI on my left monitor.

I could use my android's video camera though I guess. :)


I regularly will mine during slow pvp days while i play saints row or something at the same time. on comms with my corp mates the whole time..

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Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-03-06 22:03:47 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
SOE took over Planetside, before SOE took over Planetside the game was brilliant, shortly after they took over and ruined the game i quit playing. Im going to give PS2 the benefit of the doubt.

I can just feel that the game wont live up to expectations and gunna be a flop.

What i mean by the "kids play consoles" comment is, you have way more of them playing consoles than you do playing pc games. Whens the last time you had an organised fleet of kids playing Eve?

The mentality wont carry over as others have pointed out. One of the reasons i dont play console FPS' online, i mean there are some ******** people in Eve i know that, but holey hell, they couldnt candle up against the things iv witnessed from console retards.


If by, "before SOE took over," you mean, "during the beta," then yes, I can agree. So much potential, so many obvious faults in the balancing, so many teammates desperate to pick up that grenade that "fell out" of the launcher. Or take tea under my tank.

IF CCP can grab enough attention among the squad-oriented types they do have a chance. I'll be interested to see how that goes, though, as I've not run into nearly as much of what I'd call "organized" groups on the consoles as when I was more heavily involved in PC games. Though, I've not noticed as much real organization there recently either, at least not on that big a scale... everything seems aimed at groups of 2-4 (even BF3 hasn't struck me as doing much to promote actual team-oriented play... far less than 2 and even that I thought needed a good bit more if you weren't on a tightly-controlled server).
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Galactic Rangers
#40 - 2012-03-06 23:55:31 UTC
one difference with dust, they will answer to EVE commanders, yes us guys on EVE who will be paying the ISK, they do the job they get return business, the fucknut it up and they get added to ye ole fucknut list. Roll
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