EVE General Discussion

A few thoughts about dust were kind of rattling around in my head, so I thought I would come troll you people with them and see what you think.


First off, I've been a playstation faithful since the old school gray, ugly, boxy psx models.


I have a concern about the ps3 community that makes me think Dust may have a profound negative impact on this game we love, Eve.

Being a psn subscriber since there was a psn, I know how much people on the ps3 today DO NOT work together on comms during a fps game. Not since the days of the first modern warfare anyway. In fact, if you find yourself in a game of battlefield or coll of duty, talking on comms, you may find that you get flamed to STFU until you just stop calling out targets.

People on console shooters today seem to be too one-man-army-i'm-mother-effin-john-rambo-ish to properly grasp the concept of Dust and actually play the game properly and not just turn it into a really shiny death match.

Something else that worries me about how significantly Dust will tie into the SOV mechanics, console FPS players are a very very very very very very very fickle bunch. They will be playing one FPS today, thinking about what FPS they are going to get next month.

And since CCP has done about nill advertisement for this game outside of the EVE community, E3 and the Dust website, there are A LOT of people that wont even know this game is out when it finally hits the playstation store.... If the summer timeline is still true anyway.



TL;DR

Console fps players dont generally play as a team well enough, or stick to 1 game long enough for Dust to have the long term 'positive' impact that CCP wants. What happens when the game has 20 people total playing it 2 years from now because the battlefield or COD just came out, and it screws the SOV mechanics?

I think you are over estimating the level of ADHD that console players have and underestimating the number of players who could see this as a replayable game that they are willing to think through

Remember, console players love a challenge. They all do and they always will. It is something that game developers have used to their advantage which is why you see features like medals in Halo and achievements in Modern Warfare and Battlefield. A game as challenging as DUST 514 will no doubt bring in hardcore players wanting to see if they can be successful in toppling null-sec alliances or be able to manipulate the Eve Online economy in addition to their own. Not only that, there is also the challenge of having to deal with competitors who want to wipe you out before you could achieve that goal for the same reason.

PS: (off topic) Does anyone here notice that the forums now save drafts?

What the others have said is pretty accurate.

The players you describe will not join corporations, and thus won't be fighting over planets for you or themselves. Players that know what they're doing and know how to use a mic and teamwork will get into these corporations and school the others when they do come face to face when they're not burning a path across the region.

If you're looking for more , might I suggest you visit www.dust514.org and www.dust514base.com? There are a lot of people asking questions that are answered there.

Yes, I just noticed this. Could be very, very helpful.

The MAG community will probably form the primary pool of applicants (outside of current EVE players) most interested in joining EVE corporations and getting properly equiped and organized.

When I play CoD and find a fighting position i can defend Im called a camper and am expected to rush headlong into the enemy screaming banzaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

I wish there was an actual game where proper military tactics are used .. I guess that might be AAO but never tried the latest version.

That is because most people who camp find a corner to hide in and shoot people in the back. Those people are generally unwelcome in FPS games.

Defending a tactical position for the sake of capturing an objective that is important to the game progression or mechanics is something different.

But "guarding" a rock just to use it for cover and get kills is camping.

yea I have a feeling it will end up being a few thousand people at the most, where as sony and CCP are actually publicly anticipating millions of players...

How to turn a casual player into a hardcore player.

Have a guy who does the 0.0 sell them the idea how thier bullet can change the universe.

1 People from 12-35 are the heaviest console player groups, so are 35 year olds kids?
2 When has SOE ever made a successful MMO?
3 Vereses the PS3 players who are now playing eve?

The one reason why they don't want dust 514 on pc is becuase they are very much afraid that if dust fails for whatever reason IT WONT KILL EVE AT THE SAME TIME.

The closest example I can think of would be DIablo III killng a massive chunk of the wow player base. There where significant drops when SC2 came out as well.