Ships & Modules

I don't know if hybrids are just horrible or if I'm blatantly missing something.

I'm running around in a Hyperion and I gave my right arm to get six faction 425mms and one 250mm. I even put faction ammo in and my DPS doesn't pass 300 p/s. I see people all the time talking about fits with 1000+ DPS and I'm not even close.

I only have one Gunslinger implant, I know the ship has no bonus and my relevant gunnery skills like large hybrid and surgical strike, etc. are only at 3s and 4s, but I'm not just a handful of 5% bonus increases from hitting 1,000.

So is 300 turret DPS give or take normal outside of maxed skills and a 3 billion isk ship with implants and built in bonuses or do I just need to go back to playing checkers?

Are you using Magnetic Field Stabilizers? They improve damage and rate of fire.

Loading the character in question into http://eveboard.com/ so we can see exactly where your at with skills would be nice. I'd have to say its a combination of low skills, improper fit and not using magstabs without seeing your char or the fit. But....



First pick a weapon type and stick with it, that means for the Hype, 8 of the same weapon.

Second, the Hype does have a 5 percent damage bonus per level, so you will want BS 4.

Third, gunnery support skills at 3 = crappy dps

Its so awful it hurts the eyes.

DG are low fit requirement, low multiplier guns. thorium is mid range ammo, and is for mission purposes nearly long range ammo when fired from 425s - you will be using antimatter (preferably faction) a lot from 425s.

T2s have a higher damage mod AND access (for most players) 8% extra damage from the spec, and can when suitable, fire T2 ammo.


If you intend armor tanking, AND using 425s then you want to stay at range, you should need only 1 repper on a hyper, and you do not need bulkheads.

No mission ship needs 2 heavy boosters. I run 1 med on mine (thats enough to run 1 repper). If you are using a booster, you need an efficient tank, because you do not have the cargo space to bang away with 300 dps and run 2 reps for an entire mission. So you want 1 rep and armor resistance mods.

Thats a nice fit. I should try it. Do you need a webber in there? Because I thought the 425's tracking would be useless at the ranges the webber works anyways.

You're right across the board. I scanned a site in a .4 system and got chased out almost immediately. Then I saw an armor fit suggestion so grabbed the rigs. And went from 250mm to the 425s. But now experimental ratting I notice I have trouble staying at range for long, then cap out trying to MWD back away to range and then have to use expensive cap boosters which take up all my cargo space.

So I guess I need to drop a cap, the bulkheads, get the other rigs, fix the ammo and keep on training on.

Funny, this game is like digital golf. It's hard to play just right and keeps you trying over and over. Thanks for the advice so far.

Oh my, what are you doing in lowsec with your apparent eve experience ? STAY IN 0.5+ SYSTEMS

First thing I'd say is that bigger is not better. The choice of the Hyperion in this case might be appropriate but you may be better off with a smaller, faster ship which can make better use of transversal and with smaller guns which will track more effectively.
As you're using a Smartbomb and seem to be tending towards an armour tank you might, if the battleship is the right choice then you might find the Megathron more effective - though as you only have four drones the larger drone bay won't have much benefit for you.

Second, the comment earlier about picking guns and sticking with them reflects the "dreadnaught" philosophy of naval warfare. the idea is that with a full rack of similar guns they will all be engaging the target equally well from the same moment. You can easily assess the ammunition you need, you can see when your guns are working and when they aren't and you can more easily define the tactics you need to apply in a given situation.
However... highest tier guns are not absolutely vital. They do more damage and have more range but, as above, you may find, particularly if you're having trouble with fittings, that running with a full rack of 350mm rails and a solid tank, mag stabs...etc is more effective than 425s and running out of PG (an extreme example).

Thirdly, others have pointed out the Reinforced Bulkheads and the lack of resist modules. As with weapons you can get better performance out of a focussed and specialised tank in general. There are applications where a mixed tank has value but they're generally quite niche and often designed to have a psychological effect primarily rather than a conventionally efficient effect.
Resists in particular are often underestimated because many other games put so much less focus on them than EVE. If you're dealing with (for example) NPCs which use lasers then the fitting of a single EM and a single Thermal active hardener will halve the damage you take on your tanking layer, that effectively doubles the number of hitpoints you have and simultaneously doubles the effect of your repair modules (in that a single rep cycle which would have countered (again for example) ten hostile shots will now counter twenty).

Fourthly, you have stated that you have four drones. Most likely the quickest route to boosting your output damage would be to train Drones [5]. That would give you 25% more drone damage immediately and unlock access to Drone Interfacing. A couple of levels of that will take less than a day of training and again significantly increase your drone damage output. It would also unlock access to Heavy Drone Operation and while Heavy Drones may not be appropriate for your needs, if they are they represent yet another significant damage increase.

Finally, a lot of people get obsessed by the numbers in the damage messages or with the DPS values listed in the fitting window or EFT whereas the true power of your ship is actually somewhere between the two. Application of your damage is a significant factor and while modules like Tracking Computers will not increase the DPS number in the fitting window they can make a big difference to your applied damage.

Don't take a rail Hyperion to lowsec alone unless you know perfectly what you are doing. And when you know what you are doing, you don't fit it with faction guns and use it in PvE there. You were lucky to get out alive. Stick in hisec and use a Vexor Myrmidon until you train skills and learn the game

You really need the T2 large guns on a battleship to make it worthwhile. Also, train Rapid Firing, Surgical Strike and Controlled Bursts to at least IV for Gallente hybrid ships. They will increase your dps and cap life.

And what Jacob said, train drones if you want to fly Gallente.