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Why is the Saturn V rocket faster than any ship in Eve?

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#21 - 2012-03-06 03:55:50 UTC
Well there is the issue of gravity. We have gravity wells all over the place such as planets, stars, and moons. Maybe that just creates some strange interference with our ship engines. Hey, that gives me a pretty interesting idea about ship velocities and what if they would vary based on the number of AU you are from a gravity well? The further they are, the faster everybody goes
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#22 - 2012-03-06 04:13:35 UTC
I would love to see Voyager or similar extra-solar probe come floating through the EVE-verse...

And does the m in m\s stand for metre? It may be just an arbitrary m :)

I also thought that things did orbit in EVE, but we haven't really been around long enough to notice...

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#23 - 2012-03-06 04:15:42 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
I would love to see Voyager or similar extra-solar probe come floating through the EVE-verse...

And does the m in m\s stand for metre? It may be just an arbitrary m :)

I also thought that things did orbit in EVE, but we haven't really been around long enough to notice...


It stands for meters/second.
Skorpynekomimi
#24 - 2012-03-06 04:36:45 UTC
Because the Saturn V is a multi-stage chemical rocket designed to get off the ground and out of orbit. The acceleration is vast, there's huge amounts of power, and it still has to shed used engines and empty fuel tanks on the way up.
It was built on the ground, in a gravity well. Not in space.
It had a tiny cargo on board. Three men and a few small ships.

EVE ships are faster than light, thanks to the warp drive. Sublight speeds aren't so important.

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Ascendic
Polaris Syndicate
#25 - 2012-03-06 04:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ascendic
Super Chair wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
1) that isn't the Saturn Vs top speed. Its top speed is whatever it reaches before it runs out of fuel. Unless you are referring only to atmospheric speed, in which case the comparison is pointless as our ships cannot under any circumstances enter an oxygen atmosphere.

2) our ships propulsion system has limits to the speed because the faster they go, the more [insert technobabble term here] drag force they experience.


You do realize that drag forces really do not exist in a vacuum?


Actually it does brah, and the closer you get to the speed of light the amount of drag increases almost exponentially.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#26 - 2012-03-06 05:27:50 UTC
Ascendic wrote:
Super Chair wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
1) that isn't the Saturn Vs top speed. Its top speed is whatever it reaches before it runs out of fuel. Unless you are referring only to atmospheric speed, in which case the comparison is pointless as our ships cannot under any circumstances enter an oxygen atmosphere.

2) our ships propulsion system has limits to the speed because the faster they go, the more [insert technobabble term here] drag force they experience.


You do realize that drag forces really do not exist in a vacuum?


Actually it does brah, and the closer you get to the speed of light the amount of drag increases almost exponentially.


It's not drag it's the amount of energy it takes to make it go faster just increases. Totally different and not realivent for the size of an interceptor.
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#27 - 2012-03-06 05:52:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Valentyn3
Be happy the ships fly strait at all. The ship designers failed physics 101 with an F- and filled the game with asymmetrical thrusters.

Also, I don't know where to begin to calculate the G forces but I'm pretty sure trying to turn at all going that fast in anything bigger than a fridge would rip it apart.

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Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#28 - 2012-03-06 07:15:27 UTC
saturn rockets dont have TiDi, hence they go faster.

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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-03-06 08:05:46 UTC
Everyone's mom knows how to Vacuum.

Instead, warp drive deforms space time, no drag, no travel. Just a shortcut.

Space is not empty, it is full of gravity, energy, gasses, particles, Space is dense! But its density is low, very low.

Gravity, waves are another form of matter.

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WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

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Orator de Umbras
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-03-06 09:26:44 UTC
Instead of moving the ship, the engine moves the universe around the ship.

Moving the universe a whopping 5km/s is a pretty amazing feat. . .
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-03-06 09:48:09 UTC
Saturn V is an engine strapped to a fuel tank and little else.

Eve ships have guns, shields, armor, manuverability.

It's like asking why a rally car can't go as fast as a dragster.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#32 - 2012-03-06 11:01:32 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?


I challenge you to find the Saturn V (or any man made space vehicle for that matter) that can turn around and head in the other direction within a couple seconds (ok minutes in the case of freighters/capitals).

I mean, if you want to split hairs and all.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#33 - 2012-03-06 12:19:37 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?

because a bunch of morons wanted CCP to nerf nanoships
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-03-06 12:34:59 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tF1Up_xXSI

Ok not combat effective but you get the point.

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Grikath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-03-06 12:42:49 UTC
What PtracI said...

The Saturn V does not do Curves In Space. It is a ballistic object. Fast, but you can't steer it past nudging it against the curve of the local gravity well. ( which means you have to brake...owait.. it only goes faster...)

EVE starship drives use a speculative drive that lets you achieve FTL when warping and something that looks/feels a lot like a gravity(well) drive for sublight speeds.
Besides solid founding in SF lore, both types (or even a dual application of the same drive) are theoretically (read: quantum mechanics/relativity theory math headache) possible, with caveats.

Both in SF as in theory, the drive(s) involved are limited, since they must act against the Real World, and thus perform work. This means a limit to the maximum speed that can be reached, defined by the amount of energy you put into it versus [a lot of problems].

Even the smallest spaceships in EVE has a powerplant that can happily provide for a small town, and a computer system that could go head-to-head with your average modern-day supercluster, but they are still limited in energy and computational power.
This amount of energy/computational power is still puny compared to the values the RL theoretical drives would need.

Between Boffin theory, the constraints of expectations this translated into in SF lore, and the vagaries of game design, CCP actually managed to get a decent "feel" in how a proper spacedrive would perform in this game:
Limited straight line speed, limited orbit speed/radius, and limited FTL speed, all based on the mass/power/inertia ratio of the ships involved.
Quite nifty, really. Smile

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C C P
C C P Alliance
#36 - 2012-03-06 12:52:26 UTC
If we let ships go much faster, the invisible space whales wouldn't be able to get out of the way in time.

(Obviously the real reason is "because it makes for a better game": the actual lengths of ships give us a reference distance, and we want combat to happen "within visual range" so that fights live up to people's visual expectations, and there's only so fast you can have ships going at a given scale before the ability for the average person to usefully control them drops off drastically. That's how I'd reason it, at least.)
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-03-06 13:08:25 UTC
Did this Saturn V actually reached such velocity in space ?

Not sure, but there is probably some limitation of material, Space is not just vacuum filled with nothing, there is a lot of dust.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#38 - 2012-03-06 13:24:45 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Plus there comes a point where a ship can be "too fast". Eventually the ship would be moving so fast that they just overshoot their target and waste time and put themselves at risk when they need to lower their speed drastically to turn around.


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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-03-06 14:05:52 UTC
The saturn V has to reach escape velocity from the planet's gravitational field. Spaceships in Eve are already in space to start with.
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Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-03-06 14:11:20 UTC
I been able to make a cynabal go about 13-14km/s or 14000m/s :P so ships in eve can go faster than that wolololol

but you could say it's because of the warp drive module, (in RP it says it also slows down the ship when engines aren't running) which would explain it all if you want another reason, IE; the warp drive ability that makes your ship able to warp from place to place is actually slowing down your ship when your not using it

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