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RvR Expansion

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Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-05 17:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
Edited because people keep drive by posting in this thread and not reading the whole discussion. I wanted to keep the original up for historical reasons only but people keep derailing the discussion because they don't bother to read all of the posts first. After page three I realized why what I was suggesting did not fit into the games scope; IE a new server. The topic then shifted but people keep drive by posting which has splintered the convo. That's why this original very long post had to be edited and mostly removed. I do however like a few other people feel that the RVR aspect could be expanded upon while not breaking eve.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-05 17:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: mxzf
No, separate servers is completely against Eve's philosophy, it'll never happen. PvP happens everywhere and it's good for the game as a whole. You will die at times, regardless of if you want to or not, get over it.

Edit: And for reference, I am an example of both the two halves of Eve (the brutal world and the people who just want to be left alone) coexisting. I have no love for PvP, I like doing PvE by myself, but I'm also not afraid to stand up for myself and do something that could lead to risk. I might not revel in the discordian chaos like some people do, but I do embrace Eve as a whole (including the 'bad' parts of it) and refuse to be afraid to do things just because I might lose a ship. So, yes, it is completely possible for someone who has no taste for blood to exist in the cruel and harsh universe of Eve.
Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-05 17:20:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
mxzf wrote:
No, separate servers is completely against Eve's philosophy, it'll never happen. PvP happens everywhere and it's good for the game as a whole. You will die at times, regardless of if you want to or not, get over it.



The difference between your philosophy and a company that is out to make money is vastly different. There is a reason Eve has 300k players (Mostly duplicate accounts as the average Eve player has 2 accounts) and WoW has 10 million. From a business standpoint acting like an elitist ass that wants to keep things the way they are instead of expanding the games potential to cover a wider basis of players is a not a smart move.

Lie to yourself all you want but the elitist BS "Its our way or the high way" does not equal more subscriptions. Besides I am suggesting RvR which makes far more sense then being able to PK your own faction.

Edit, being that you posted a few seconds after I made that post, you did not even read what I wrote. Typical Eve player with their head in the sand completely unable to accept their philosophy does not equal that of the rest of the world. The subscription numbers don't lie, even if you do to yourself. As i said above, this would be an optional second server. You don't like it don't play on that server. What are you scared most of your players would prefer something different?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-03-05 17:24:37 UTC
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
mxzf wrote:
No, separate servers is completely against Eve's philosophy, it'll never happen. PvP happens everywhere and it's good for the game as a whole. You will die at times, regardless of if you want to or not, get over it.



The difference between your philosophy and a company that is out to make money is vastly different. There is a reason Eve has 300k players (Mostly duplicate accounts as the average Eve player has 2 accounts) and WoW has 1 million. From a business standpoint acting like an elitist ass that wants to keep things the way they are instead of expanding the games potential to cover a wider basis of players is a smart move.

Lie to yourself all you want but the elitist BS "Its our way or the high way" does not equal more subscriptions. Besides I am suggesting RvR which makes far more sense then being able to PK your own faction.


That's because CCP is going for quality of game over raw quantity of players, which makes the game better as a whole. And, if you read the lore, capsulers have no loyalty to any faction, they are completely independent entities who owe no allegiance at all. So there's no "PKing your faction" because you have no faction anyways.

As much as you might dislike it, this is the way that Eve is and the vast majority of the players love it for being unique among the vast array of MMOs who will baby you along. We also acknowledge that it's not for everyone and are more than happy to say that "WoW is that way ->" if you want a different way of playing a game. But don't try to come in and screw up the game for all of us that love it by making it just like every other MMO out there; we like our cruel and harsh world, thank you very much.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#5 - 2012-03-05 17:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
mxzf wrote:
No, separate servers is completely against Eve's philosophy, it'll never happen. PvP happens everywhere and it's good for the game as a whole. You will die at times, regardless of if you want to or not, get over it.



The difference between your philosophy and a company that is out to make money is vastly different. There is a reason Eve has 300k players (Mostly duplicate accounts as the average Eve player has 2 accounts) and WoW has 10 million. From a business standpoint acting like an elitist ass that wants to keep things the way they are instead of expanding the games potential to cover a wider basis of players is a not a smart move.

Lie to yourself all you want but the elitist BS "Its our way or the high way" does not equal more subscriptions. Besides I am suggesting RvR which makes far more sense then being able to PK your own faction.


No, not. Eve is a niche game, and its the reason of its success. Do you realize that everybody who tried to copy WoW maybe didn't fail, but didn't succeed either in challenging its market share, and that many really faded into oblivion? Because of the same flawed reasoning. Had they tried to fill the niches, they'd have more success, and be able to sustain their business, much like CCP.

Seriously, without PvP, all that would be left in EvE would be bad PvE. Do you really think people would pay to PvE in EvE instead of WoW, Rift or ToR? Just look how many raids (incursions) we have in the game, and compare it to WoW's content, for example.
Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-05 17:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
Since you have issues reading (Not train that skill book yet?) how would having a seperate server for those who wanted to play on it change anything? How would that ruin your game? If your players love it so much then they would all stay on the current server and the rest of the world that doesn't want to deal with your BS would have a separate game by ourselves. If those of us who would not play the game anyway due to this crap had our own server, then how would that ruin your game? So your saying we should not play, we should not pay to play, and give our money to a different company?

What it comes down to is your scared players on your server would leave because in reality people don't like how its set up. If that were not the case then why would you care if there was a separate server just for those who wanted it differently? If all of Eve's 300,000 players like it so much the way it is now, then they would not go anywhere. This new server would cater to a different audience of players that would not play Eve otherwise, so you would not see any change other then CCP growing as a company and having more money to spend on their title. Explain how that breaks your game?

EDIT: Ya that't what I thought. Don't strain your self too hard trying to come up with a BS reply because there is no logical reason you can come up with that will counter what I just wrote above.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2012-03-05 17:49:08 UTC
Singularity.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#8 - 2012-03-05 17:52:30 UTC
mxzf wrote:
No, separate servers is completely against Eve's philosophy, it'll never happen. PvP happens everywhere and it's good for the game as a whole. You will die at times, regardless of if you want to or not, get over it.

Edit: And for reference, I am an example of both the two halves of Eve (the brutal world and the people who just want to be left alone) coexisting. I have no love for PvP, I like doing PvE by myself, but I'm also not afraid to stand up for myself and do something that could lead to risk. I might not revel in the discordian chaos like some people do, but I do embrace Eve as a whole (including the 'bad' parts of it) and refuse to be afraid to do things just because I might lose a ship. So, yes, it is completely possible for someone who has no taste for blood to exist in the cruel and harsh universe of Eve.


This, this, a thousand times: this!

Part of the reason EvE is so special is that there is only one universe. It would ruin it and I hope that CCP realises how this would ruin all the universes to create more than one.

@OP - Were you, perchance, a member of the board at SOE during the lifetime of Star Wars Galaxies?
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#9 - 2012-03-05 17:57:06 UTC
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
Since you have issues reading (Not train that skill book yet?) how would having a seperate server for those who wanted to play on it change anything? How would that ruin your game? If your players love it so much then they would all stay on the current server and the rest of the world that doesn't want to deal with your BS would have a separate game by ourselves. If those of us who would not play the game anyway due to this crap had our own server, then how would that ruin your game? So your saying we should not play, we should not pay to play, and give our money to a different company?

What it comes down to is your scared players on your server would leave because in reality people don't like how its set up. If that were not the case then why would you care if there was a separate server just for those who wanted it differently? If all of Eve's 300,000 players like it so much the way it is now, then they would not go anywhere. This new server would cater to a different audience of players that would not play Eve otherwise, so you would not see any change other then CCP growing as a company and having more money to spend on their title. Explain how that breaks your game?

EDIT: Ya that't what I thought. Don't strain your self too hard trying to come up with a BS reply because there is no logical reason you can come up with that will counter what I just wrote above.


No, I don't think anyone is scared that people will leave if another server was set up. People who don't like the game leave now. But they have the good grace to realise they don't like the game and go on to something else. Unlike you who has to cry about the rules being unfair and you want them changed.

This is the game.

These are the rules.

play or (and I've never said this to anyone before) GTFO.

Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-05 18:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
No one has still been able to come up with a counter argument, showing you are nothing but a bunch of scared little children afraid that if given the choice most of the current Eve players would rather not deal with douchebags. There is no other reason you would be so against opening of a different kind of server for people who would not play this game in its current state.

I never once said get rid of Eve's current server or its current gameplay style. I just suggested opening up a different server that was aimed at bringing in people who dont want to play with a-holes. How would this effect your game? If you don't like this new server idea then you would not have to play, you and every other current Eve player who likes the game the way it is now could stick to the current server.

Once again, someone come up with a single argument against what I wrote above instead of acting like a bunch of scared little bullies that are afraid that if given the choice most players would not want to play with you? Because if that statement is false then you have nothing to fear from this new server. Correct? It would only draw players that are not interesting in playing Eve in its current state and appeal to a different group of people who you would never see anyway. How does that break your game? How does the company who makes your game growing and expanding to accommodate a different group of players on a different server that has no bearing on the current server effect your gameplay?

Its a simple question yet not one of you can answer it, all you are doing is acting like a bunch of spoiled little brats.

Answer it. You can't. All you can do is act like children and say "I know you are but what am I". Not one reply has answered my question and I think its a pretty simple one.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#11 - 2012-03-05 18:06:08 UTC
You simply don't understand, do you?

It's a single shard.

A single universe

This is one of the things that makes it unique.

This is what it's been marketed on.

This is the direction CCP have chosen to go.

Now stop your crying. Here, have a hanky.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#12 - 2012-03-05 18:06:22 UTC
PvP is what makes the market work.

There just aren't enough losses in PvE to make industry work.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-05 18:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
Steve Ronuken wrote:
PvP is what makes the market work.

There just aren't enough losses in PvE to make industry work.



Apparently you did not read my post. I suggested RvR which is PvP, just in a different form. I also suggested it on a different server not connected to the current one which is designed for a different group of players that have nothing to do with the ones who currently play Eve.

And yet still you can't answer a simple question: How would a different server aimed at a different group of players that would not play Eve as it is now be a bad thing for CCP? If you don't like it you don't have to play on it and will still have your current server intact and unchanged.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#14 - 2012-03-05 18:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
No one has still been able to come up with a counter argument, showing you are nothing but a bunch of scared little children afraid that if given the choice most of the current Eve players would rather not deal with douchebags. There is no other reason you would be so against opening of a different kind of server for people who would not play this game in its current state.

I never once said get rid of Eve's current server or its current gameplay style. I just suggested opening up a different server that was aimed at bringing in people who dont want to play with a-holes. How would this effect your game? If you don't like this new server idea then you would not have to play, you and every other current Eve player who likes the game the way it is now could stick to the current server.

Once again, someone come up with a single argument against what I wrote above instead of acting like a bunch of scared little bullies that are afraid that if given the choice most players would not want to play with you? Because if that statement is false then you have nothing to fear from this new server. Correct? It would only draw players that are not interesting in playing Eve in its current state and appeal to a different group of people who you would never see anyway. How does that break your game? How does the company who makes your game growing and expanding to accommodate a different group of players on a different server that has no bearing on the current server effect your gameplay?

Its a simple question yet not one of you can answer it, all you are doing is acting like a bunch of spoiled little brats.

Answer it. You can't. All you can do is act like children and say "I know you are but what am I". Not one reply has answered my question and I think its a pretty simple one.


What you don't understand?

PVE server needs PVE content, created by game developers, that's very expensive. That's the only reason needed. Is your idea bad? Not necessarily bad, but it would reqiure CCP to make AAA PVE spinoff from EvE, and they dont have money for it.

They'd have to make it not suck as well, like STO. But it would most likely suck just like STO, and you know how much hyped that game was, but that didnt help, and even the legion of Star Trek fans didn't help. And Eve dont have that number of fans.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#15 - 2012-03-05 18:15:00 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
You simply don't understand, do you?

It's a single shard.

A single universe

This is one of the things that makes it unique.

This is what it's been marketed on.

This is the direction CCP have chosen to go.

Now stop your crying. Here, have a hanky.

Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-05 18:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
Nestara Aldent wrote:


What you don't understand?

PVE server needs PVE content, created by game developers, that's very expensive. That's the only reason needed. Is your idea bad? Not necessarily bad, but it would reqiure CCP to make AAA PVE spinoff from EvE, and they dont have money for it.

They'd have to make it not suck as well, like STO. But it would most likely suck just like STO, and you know how much hyped that game was, but that didnt help, and even the legion of Star Trek fans didn't help. And Eve dont have that number of fans.



1) PVE is already in the game, they don't need to expand on it at all.

2) Eve doesn't have the number of fans because people don't like playing with a-holes. You don't believe me do a google search of criticisms of Eve Online.

3) Having a second server aimed at a different group of people, who by the way are the majority not your minority of douchebag loving players, would open up new subscriptions and expand CCP as a game company. This equals more revenue.

Again, since most of you are simple minded let me put it simply:

If CCP is an airline then they currently fly from a small regional airport to a few fixed locations. I am suggesting they make a new hub to fly out of in a better location that is aimed at a larger population of people. I am not suggesting they shut down that small regional airport, only expand to accommodate a larger audience. Expanding is a good thing for a company. If they do what I suggested the game would appeal to a larger group of people who don't like dealing with a-holes while leaving all of you to screw each other over on your current server. It would not effect you at all. How is this a bad thing.

Still no one can answer the question. All I see is insults and telling me to take my money elsewhere. Its funny, in a game that's based around corporations growing you all have very poor business skills.

Again, if you don't like the new server idea you don't have to play on it, and if it doesn't pull in enough people to make it worth their while they can shut it down. See here is the thing about a bully, they can punch all day long but when they are punched they curl up in a little ball and cry. You tell me to GTFO and go somewhere else? Same to you. If you don't like the new server then don't play on it and stick to your current shithole one. Again, you are just scared the majority of the people would move onto the new server and leave all of you alone by yourselves.

You are afraid if they build a nice suburb next to your POS Ghetto that people will move and you will no longer have a place to swing your stick. Simple enough.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#17 - 2012-03-05 18:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
mxzf wrote:
I might not revel in the discordian chaos like some people do,


Your wallet (just like mine) probably says otherwise Big smile

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#18 - 2012-03-05 18:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
....


You want the game tailored to your taste, instead of just picking the game you like. This is a PvP game, and if you don't want PvP and all that comes with it, this is simply a wrong game for you.
Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-03-05 18:49:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
Velicitia wrote:
mxzf wrote:
I might not revel in the discordian chaos like some people do,


Your wallet (just like mine) probably says otherwise Big smile


Velicitia wrote:
mxzf wrote:
I might not revel in the discordian chaos like some people do,


Your wallet (just like mine) probably says otherwise Big smile


Is your wallet $150,000,000?

If I offered you a choice of (300,000 x $15) $4,500,000 a month or (10 mil x $15) $150,000,000 a month which would you choose? From a business prospective, which is better?

Again, all of you are completely selfish and could care less about the finical earnings of the company that makes your game. By taking the suggestion I have written above you would not loose your game environment and CCP could expand to a larger group of people.

I find it laughable that not one of you can actually come up with a reason why this would ruin your game unless you accept the fact that the majority of the people don't like things how they are and only tolerate it because there is no other choice. Not one reply to this thread has actually made a (valid) counter argument.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-05 18:58:30 UTC
That was a really long OP for something I could tell you "isn't going to happen" just from the title of the thread. It really isn't going to happen. CCP has always had the one server (special exception to our special friends in special China) and for them to make another one at this juncture would be rediculous. Not to mention I cannot think of a single person who would want to start over on another system for any reason. You want RvR? Go join RvB and do Faction Warfare.

In short... "isn't going to happen".

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