EVE General Discussion

In some ways I agree with the OP, in other ways not so much. Eve does need some alterations in a few areas, one of my favorite topics is ISK and the economy, so will go there.

I'd go the other way, let the ISK be generated in high-sec, and move the majority of non-isk resources into low sec and Null-sec. I'd go so far as to say, no ISK making activities in null, no raw materials in high sec, and an even split between ISK and materials in low sec. Let High become faucet and null become the sink. At the same time, Increase the ISK cost of Sov, PI and Dust (assumption on dust) and bring it up significantly, using an exponential scale that increases costs as territory gets larger.

Null will become worth occupying almost over night, even with the increased ISK cost, but it will be very expensive to control large swaths of territory.

Great things. Like rifters and drakes would be big again, and CCP would have more people making accounts (and thus needing plex).

It would be horrible if you were an elite player who loves their 50m minimum entry of course.

And I guess all the highly skilled industrial characters who've spent months to get that last bit out of their profit margins. Heh. Fortunately in space, mining accidents don't occur unless you're within 5km of a certain type of rock..

The first I regard as a form of 'pay to win'

The second, I feel, removes a large part of the incentive/reason to actually do anything ingame.

Tippia, are you a typing bot?

^^This^^

But still, OP, good troll, would read again: 9/10.

But seriously, now:

I think it would be a positive change--or at least an aspect of a positive change--if hisec PvE content was made dynamic, more random, and much more challenging. Not only would it be more fun, and more rewarding to succeed at, but as the current breed of carebear will have trouble "adapting" to it--Incursion/Sleeper level DPS and AI--then it would hopefully introduce an ISK-sink, in the classic EVE manner.

Remember when level 4 missions were tough? I do, and I'm not a "vet" yet (3+ year player, not a vet, but far from newb):

Back then, if you aggro'ed the fist room in any of the "Vengeance" missions, then it would hurt. A lot.

"Enemies Abound 5/5?" It could not be solo'ed, full-stop, end of, and you certainly wouldn't be tanking the 3000+ DPS from the full spawn because you couldn't kill the (on 4-minute timer, IIRC) spawns quickly enough before the next spawn--which you certainly wouldn't be doing that on your own, you needed a mate or two.

I think what I'm getting at here is that a lot of PvE content--especially hisec missions--needs its difficulty rolled back up to scale with the capabilities ships that are now in use to tear through them like wet toilet paper, to actually challenge them.

Sure, you can use your ISK 2Bn bling-gu, it will give you an advantage over, say, a T I BS, but you had damned well better be prepared to lose it, as the very real risk is there:

No occasional lone tackle NPC-frigate maybe one mission in four, you're pointed, and webbed, and racial/faction EWAR'ed by a half dozen of the "elite" version of same every time. "Pull" aggro? Not to worry, the AI saves you the trouble by full-room auto-aggro.

Angel Extravaganza? Don't shoot the spawn-triggers early. Just, don't. This will also hurt a lot.

Sure keep lucrative level 4 missions in hisec--but make the risk and difficulty commensurate with the rewards, and, ideally, retool them to be more PvP-like: Random/omni damage, advanced AI, unpredictable spawn ("Will I spawn the completion-trigger if I shoot this rat, or will I spawn an extra 5 perma-jamming Pith Executioner BS'? With tacklers for escort and heavy neuts fitted?")

That's all I got to say about that for now, sleep-deprived poasting, best poasting.

TL/DR: Iterate on PvE content in general to increase its difficulty to scale with the much more powerful ships and pilots running it now--which hasn't been done in like 5 years at least. Same rewards, more risk, more potential ISK-sinks. In other words, you earn your ISK, and risk losing it much more easily.

Here's a useful (though outdated) thread calculating the amount made from Level 4 missions. Keep in mind that today there are Incursions that result in (afaik) a potentially much larger amount of money to be made. Hope this helps you and others visualize the kind of thing we're talking about here.

Death to all supercaps, L4 agents, and highsec incursions.

This thread is full of bollocks.
Sounds like you want EVE to be more level-oriented like most MMOs. Part of why I like EVE is because there isn't so much of a never ending grind for "end-game" or "epics" or any of that. If anything, I think there should be even less of a gap between noobs and veterans in EVE than we have now.

Veterans have diversification to look forward to. And the never ending interaction with other players, politics, etc. You are supposed to make your own goals in this game. A new tier of ship to grind towards will just devalue standard frigates and cruisers even more that they've been already. There is practically no point to them anymore as it is. Its the same damn problem every other MMO has had. Its a waste of art assets and developer time.

Incursions in high sec should not go away. They are one of the few bits of hisec life that truly encourage people to work together. Make them more challenging and random and nerf the rewards... ok sure. But don't get rid of them. Improve and expand on them.

Also, noobs running lvl 4 missions in hisec aren't the ones pumping out a new super carrier every day.

Try flying and fighting with frigate with 2-3mil SP against BC - you wont like them that much...

Simply not true.

While everyone may eventually be able to fly every ship, not everyone will be able to fly every ship well. I believe the current skill queue stands at 70+ years to train all skills to level V at max training speed. This is up from the 3-4 years or so when I first started playing EVE.

Plus they keep adding career paths, ship types and skills. So in reality EVE's avoidance of stagnation is a function of its content growth. When they stop adding content, highly skilled people will get bored and leave. But all this will do is leave room for lesser skilled/new people to take their place.

Eve is not dying.

Rework the concept of stargates

All non-faction space should be made gate-less

Then add 2x or 3x the number of solar systems already available

Introduce colonization ship class vessels

To make size of space matter, to reach an ungated system you need to travel to that system through normal space using a colonization type vessel that once it arrives can errect a secure stargate that is only accessible through the use of access code or by corp/alliance adherence

Player built stargates should be destructibl

Flight times of colonization type vessels should be very long, up to weeks, even months, depending on the distance to the intended star system

New star systems shouldnt have anything man made in them at all, including silly customs offices like the ones you find in wormholes. Their asteroid belts or other resources shouldnt be already charted and made available through the context menu

The list could go on forever

CCP needs to stay away from making or maintaining things in the current generic state. Make them feel unique, distnat, compelling, adventurous and exciting instead of same old everythings already on the context menu for you to click on and/or fly to in an instant

EVE is overcrowded and it s game world feels generic in too many aspects

EVE needs more unique environments and experiences than it currently can provide to keep interest going, to keep it stay level.