EVE New Citizens Q&A

Before I start, I just want to make it clear that I like how this MMO is a harsh, unforgiving, nightmare of a time that mirrors real life. This was in fact one of the reasons I wanted to play Eve instead of some other squishy MMO. The real world is not fuzzy puppies and pink unicorns, and I don’t want to play a game that is either. I respect what you (the players) have created here and look forward to that experience. Again, it’s why I am playing. While I have no interest in being a pirate, I want them in game because that’s realistic. If you wander into a dark alley in a bad section of town on a late night, you should expect to get raped. That’s life; deal with it.

With that said, its total bs that hours into the game with next to no skills trained, your “New Player” missions will send people into LowSec zones without even a warning before jumping into that zone. The mining training mission “Making Mountains of Molehills (8 of 10)” sends new players who are potentially only hours into the game right next to a .4 security zone that has nothing but griefers waiting at the gate. Who decided that that was a good idea? You have 64 regions that’s 5000+ systems, is it too much to ask for 50 No-PVP systems per faction and to keep new player missions in the center of that setup? Is it too much to ask that accounts under 30 days have a “New Player – Can’t kill” flag that is active as long as they stay in certain zones and don’t attack anyone?

What I can’t understand is that with a quickly diminishing community why you can’t seem to understand that the only way you will bring in new players is not raping them in noob zones three hours into playing. Apparently your players are too incompetent to realize that in a few years it’s only going to be a small handful of them standing around with their wankers in their hands alone and they will have no one but themselves to blame.

What you get out of killing people who are three days into the game? Is the civilian autocannon worth that much to you? Are those new player skill books that you trained eight years ago really worth killing for, driving people to rage quit and stop playing? Is one shooting someone really that fun when they can’t shoot back, because if this games economy is that inflated that you have the ammo to waste on this crap then there is no reason any new player should start playing this late into endgame. I can’t even send a message to the guy because apparently your **** poor inflation of an economy feels that 1 mil isk is only worth the price of a “stamp” to send EveMail to another player. Maybe to you that 1 mil isk is the price of a stamp, but to a new player it’s spending hours mining to save up for one single skill book. Ironically it wasn’t even combat related, it was Archeology which cost 15 new player missions worth of rewards for that one skill book. I hope you enjoy it “Santo Trafficante”, I also hope you fall on a dirty syringe and contract AIDS.

Next is broken game mechanics. When I am jumping through a gate, I can’t stop, I can’t shoot, I can’t activate anything I am 100% auto-guided through what’s basically “Zoning”. So tell me who thought it was a good idea that ships can take damage while “Zoning” so that while I am basically looking at a load screen, I can get killed with no chance to even fight back due to being locked out from my controls? What’s the point of a pod when one smart bomb instantly kills both my ship and pod at once? All I hear is “Gate Active” -> Ship goes into auto jump “zoning” -> Ship blows up -> I respawn and it tells me I was pod killed. It lasted less than half a second. At first I thought the autopilot crashed me into the gate till I saw the combat log. Furthermore the guy’s name was not in local chat so he must have just jumped in and killed me while I was going into the gate.

Why was I in the borderlands of LowSec? Ask the NPC who sent me (only six) jumps from the starter zone into that region of space. You have 5000+ systems and you have to send new players anywhere near that kind of environment? What are you catering to the grievers? It’s the equivalent in a FPS game of Spawn Camping. You have no chance of even getting a shot off and only serve as something for long time players to shoot. Why would anyone pay for this? It’s funny, your tutorial missions say losing a ship is no big deal and we should expect it; well when you can afford to pay 1 mil isk to send one freekin in game email message, I guess losing your ship, all the starter implants you worked for, and what little items you have in transport is no big deal. Pocket change, for those who started playing before the games currency became so inflated that it makes the yen look like the euro. I don’t want a hand out, I don’t want to have to join a starter corp or any corp for that matter, and I don’t want some dumbed down carebear game, but Christ is it too much to ask that new players have the option to buy affordable items, skill books, and do missions in HighSec areas until they can at least crawl? (Never mind walk, that’s obviously too much to ask).

I mine as well just set up a skill tree and log out for a few months because that’s how long it’s going to take before I can even think about going SIX measly sectors away from my starting zone. If I decide to waste the money, I’ll see everyone in a few months. I was fine starting from the ground up working for everything, but apparently even that is impossible to do at this point.

Go away and do not come back. EVE is not the game for you. I cannot say this in any simpler terms.

The career tutorial agents do NOT send you into or through lowsec. If you decided to deviate from the safe route that autopilot gave you, that was your decision - don't blame the system.

I've started 3 accounts since joining EVE and have done the tutorials several times and the only time I've been into lowsec was when I made a conscious and deliberate decision to do so.

First off, there's always a warning before you go into lowsec unless you disable it. So, yes, there is a warning before you go into lowsec.

Second, a temporary invulnerability for newbies doesn't actually help them, it will just make them think that Eve is a safe place (which it isn't). And if that was implemented, then soon people would be demanding 60 days, instead of 30 and so forth; they will keep demanding more and more protection to make up for their lack of skills. It just wouldn't end well.

Besides that, older players would abuse the system to no end. Anything that would help newbies can (and will) be exploited to no end by older players if it's worth anything at all (and a month of invulnerability is definitely worth it).

Finally, that 1M fee for mailing someone is a CSPA charge. The default (and what most people leave it at) is around 2k ISK. This is designed to combat large piles of bulk spam mail from bots; since those charges add up, it discourages bulk mail. However, it's also possible to change your CSPA fee to discourage people from talking to you (or to prevent your victims from whining to you, as the case may be).

Your specific issue which caused your death is that you flew into not just any lowsec system, but one of the most well known lowsec systems to avoid. For future reference, Amamake is a very very bad system, don't go there in the future. You either ignored or dismissed the warning message about lowsec, which was a mistake on your part. Santo Trafficante killed you using a Megathrawn with a smartbomb, meaning that he was likely sitting on the gate and you were just too close to him.

You acknowledged in your first paragraph that you know Eve is a harsh and cruel place, consider this your first lesson in how harsh it can be. The reason you died is because you made the mistake of going into lowsec without being prepared for it; hopefully the next time you will be more prepared and survive better.

Oh, also, some free advice. Don't try to use both armor and shield tanks. Pick one or the other, but not both. When it comes to tanking, you can do both really crappily or you can do one of them well; so stick with one type of tank.

Thanks for the build advice and whether you believe me or not, I will take it. TBH, I was not expecting to fight because I had no idea I was going into LowSec. The popup you speak of did not happen. I have no idea why it didn't but I would not come on the forum, knowing how elitist this game is and basically blacklist myself from the community to whine, nor did I come here to make myself look like some dumbass which is exactly what would happen ignoring messages and going into LowSec. It went down as I said it did, I set the Auto-P and it did its thing, I was sitting back just watching the jumps as it did its thing. You don't have to believe me but thats how it went down. Furthermore I had actually hit the load screen for the jump when I just blew up mid jump. Lag? Who knows. I know full well whats happening by posting this and I am not doing it lightly.

Thanks for the advice and I am putting that system into my no go list. I just checked and it still says avoid LowSec, so who knows if it will actually work.




Correct, but that was a .7 stop. Still HighSec. I guess it thought the quickest way to the mission was through LowSec even though as I will say again, I had checked Avoid LowSec.

After reading some of your responses, I think I see your issue. You autopiloted into lowsec. Autopilot doesn't cause the warning popup, it suppresses it. However, if you were linked to that system in a mission, then it should say in bright yellow(?) letters in the mission screen "Warning, this'll take you into lowsec" or something like that IIRC. And if you have your destination set in lowsec, then "Avoid Lowsec" on your autopilot won't do much since you're forcing it to go into lowsec.

One valuable lesson to learn from this is that it's generally better to fly manually than to autopilot unless you completely understand what systems you're going through. If you set the route through the map, like the AP, but don't actually engage it, then each stargate on the route will be highlighted yellow on your overview, so you just warp to the next yellow gate in each system. This has the added advantage of actually getting you there sooner, since AP warps you to 15km from the gate and flys the rest of the way to the gate at sub-warp speeds.

But the claim is that this occurred by selecting auto pilot for a tutorial mission.

This quite simply doesn't happen.

Edit: The only way it could happen would be for the player to fly to somewhere other than the agent's system before setting the route or possibly by deviating from the route at some intermediate point along it.

If you didn't set the route from the agent's home system you can't blame the tutorial for sending you into lowsec. Use some common sense ffs.

I've never owned or used a GPS but as far as I'm aware they only plot routes along roads, just as the EVE autopilot only plots routes through stargates, so I don't see the relevance of your comment.

One final word of advice: when the AP is set to avoid lowsec it will only do that if it's possible - if it isn't, it will send you by the safest route, which could mean a hop through lowsec at some point.

Ya, because that comment came before I was blown up for no reason other then just to waste ammo. Unprovoked. So if everyone plays by your rules then the whole game is nothing more then kill each other for no damn good reason? They should remove every other aspect of the game because apparently exploring, mining, building, etc is just a waste of time.

BTW, I love your BIO : "+++ I make ppl logoff."