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Mittani interviewed by MMORPG about current EvE neglect

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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#181 - 2011-09-14 19:09:59 UTC
Here we have a game that the playerbase loves so much, and is so entrenched, that they would rather try to strongarm the company that creates the game than quit the game.

You can't buy that kind of loyalty to a product and CCP is blind to it, or even worse, is trying to take advantage of it to get through a transitional period.

The Mittani has been front and centre in the in-game drama scene now for several years, and has successfully used that leverage to aquire a position where he can take it out of the game and put it right in CCP's face. He is seriously up in their grill at the moment.

I hope it all works out. I'd hate to think that sombody's moment of internet fame would destroy something so many people love so much, but I too must agree that CCP needs to get their crap together and stop biting off more than they can chew.
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
#182 - 2011-09-14 19:13:38 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
...but I too must agree that CCP needs to get their crap together and stop biting off more than they can chew.


I agree with this, it's been a long time coming that CCP realizes they cannot keep shooting for the stars with every project in EVE in an attempt to make a grand space opera.

I would prefer just an opera, leave the grandiose stuff to the novelists and movie producers IMO, and/or just put all that fun fluff into the promotional videos rather than try to cram it all into the game itself.

I would love to have all the dreams that CCP comes up with come true, but after years of watching them come closer and closer to becoming Icarus, I would just prefer for once, that they put out something average but solid.

...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie.

Sumos Tigerclaw
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2011-09-14 19:48:52 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego?


He's a goon. He is getting attention. I have no respect for him, or any goon for that matter.

I do agree with what he has said though and am enjoying the space drama.
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy
Caldari State
#184 - 2011-09-14 19:58:56 UTC
The Mittani wrote:


Heh.



My cat's name is Mittens!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#185 - 2011-09-14 20:03:16 UTC
Okay, these forums need some more work. This is the second time I've created a nicely fleshed out post only to have it eaten, and realized only then that I forgot to copy it before clicking post.

I don't have the heart to type it out again. Suffice to say that I respectfully disagree that the development time has been wasted, and that I don't believe it is nearly as time/resource intensive to optimize a game engine as it is to develop it from scratch.

Yes, Incarna could stand some serious optimization. Not that high frame rates are necessary for non-combat activites, but to facilitate running multiple clients.

I understand the dissappointment people feel when the look at the content that they can interact with in Incarna currently. It's the same dissappointment I felt when EVE went gold. I simply kept playing because I had a good idea of what it would become shortly thereafter... and I was correct.

I also try to keep in mind that, as we have seen, there is a huge portion of the EVE community that has zero interest in combat to begin with. I'm not part of it, but yes they do exist. Smile These people would be happy as clams to use Incarna to socialize, have meetings, buy/sell contraband, create/sell avatar related items, earn income from avatar based establishments, play EVE themed mini-games in those establishments, interact/build/sell to DUST players via Incarna, or any number of other non-combat activities.

More power to them.

I also disagree that Incarna is simply a vehicle to sell things to us via the NeX. Incarna was hardly needed for that. If that was it's only point they could just as easily had the NeX selling custom hulls, paint jobs, special wingy bits for our ships or any number of other things without the need to develop Incarna.

No, calling for Incarna to be trashed is pointless for practical reasons and detrimental in the long run. What needs to happen is for the development resources to be split between new FIS content, iteration on existing content, bug fixes, and Incarna optimization and content in an equitable manner.

I believe the steps taken by the CSM are helping to pushing that realization home

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#186 - 2011-09-14 21:51:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Jade Constantine wrote:


I think CCP listened to the wrong focus groups basically.


yea theyre called the CSM

Jade Constantine wrote:


1. Its perceived as the NeX Vanity case.
2. Its stolen resources from Core Eve gameplay development.
3. Its terribly limited in scope.
4. Its horribly inefficient in computing power.
5. It was foisted on the players in a very clumsy way (forcing us to use it)
6. It frankly doesn't jell with the rest of Eve.


7. Theyre removing the button that lets us opt out of the WISBS
When theyve always said it would BE optional.

In short they lied.

Jade Constantine wrote:


Roleplayers hate it because it breaks their immersion (forcing people to get out of capsule each time they dock) and allowing an Amarr nationalist corporation to sell their overprized tat to freedom fighters. (Or forcing Amarrian slavers to live in a Minmatar roach motel).

PVPers/Traders/Industrialists hate it because it makes it harder to switch ships, utilize the hanger environment, load cargo etc etc.

Long term Eve players hate it because its a embarrassing reminder that CCP have wasted the last 3 years of our subs on this rubbish.

Anyone who has an old computer hates it because of the system overhead.

People who dislike MTs hate it because of the NeX contamination in our lovely subscription-based universe.

To be quite honest, I'm hard put to think of any redeeming feature for this horrible horrible waste of time and money that has been unthinkingly-crowbared into New Eden.


Paying attention yet CCP or are you all still "staying the course"?

Quote:
Welcome to Obscurity: Population 1.
To your right you will find your life.
To your left you will find people that care.


lol if he's number one, youre number two, followed by most of the other ppl on these forums.
you sure thats the word you were looking for?
Or was it obfuscate? Like how youre doing avoiding the point that you do little more than apologize to why there are MTs here?

meh you know what? Doesnt matter Im gonna use the most useful feature CCP has given us on these forums: block

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#187 - 2011-09-14 22:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Jade Constantine wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Look, the hard part is done. The time/resource expensive (and to the players point of view, completly boring) framework for Incarna is out there and running (warts and all).


Unfortunately I'm not sure it is. I think what we have at the moment is a joke. The technology is terrible and given the system resources eaten up for a single boring room I have no hope whatsoever it'll scale properly for multiplayer establishments. Just as given the ridiculously poor record for content deliverly (1 racial CQ for 2,3,4? years of development) I have no hope this will ever be more than a costly white elephant that tried its level best to ruin Eve Online.




Think of the black hole Jita 4-4 will be O.o

better yet, if you look at the stuff in the last patch: CQ bug fixes etc (shitload of stealth added NeX store items - thats why it was 100 MB)
If you have ANY doubts where theyre focussed.

I love the ppl that say theyre not pulling ppl off EVE to put out WISBS.
Really... why is it then that the main things getting bug fixes is WISBS?
There are plenty of bugs out there in EVE (I refuse to call it FiS anymore) for them to fix.

As Ive seen or said somewhere else: You have failed to make an environment EVEN STO could make

sorry Alice, youve decided to not CHOOSE to see the truth, so nothing for you but to block so I cant see your ignorance.

last bit to her though, you DO know theyre removing the button to turn off the CQ right?

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I also try to keep in mind that, as we have seen, there is a huge portion of the EVE community that has zero interest in combat to begin with. I'm not part of it, but yes they do exist. Smile These people would be happy as clams to use Incarna to socialize, have meetings, buy/sell contraband, create/sell avatar related items, earn income from avatar based establishments, play EVE themed mini-games in those establishments, interact/build/sell to DUST players via Incarna, or any number of other non-combat activities.


lol this is the first time ive ever seen someone say this. Where are they?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Eyup Mi'duck
Doomheim
#188 - 2011-09-14 22:48:14 UTC
Mitts is on message for once.

He's got it very wrong on PI though. I guess he doesn't visit planets in hi-sec very often to notice how active this revenue stream is in some places.

The issues will come when the talk gets round to WHAT FiS we need. Somehow I'm not confident that the CSM will represent the interests of the 75% of account holders that only have a presence in hi-sec.

I am me.         I am not you.     I have my own thoughts.     I am very happy with this situation.

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#189 - 2011-09-14 22:48:41 UTC
"100 per cent of us die, and the percentage cannot be increased."

--The Weight of Glory, C.S. Lewis

I am still waiting to see the floating corpse of this game to pass by in the street, as I sit in the threshold of my home. Despite being labeled a troll by many , all I'm seeing is the incredibly obvious after effect of what a lot of us saw coming.

Cry, despair, negate and obfuscate, the sheer weight of existence and reality is slowly, but surely, crushing the stupidity of an act that was the latest drive of a blind man leading the one eyed throng. Not even Diogenes itself could give light to the sheer monstrosity that now resides in CCP's halls, and that my friends is morbidly satisfying ...

If there is still a soul in the almost depleted Guf of CCP's halls, I bet it's slowly being lobotomized and forced to wear a silly virtual outfit with matching head set.

Ahhh, so good to see the chronicle of a death foretold in the virtual flesh, I can almost shed a tear of pure wicked glee at the entrails of the pixelated carcass.

Yet, as I hope sometimes to see the Walls of Ansina reborn again, I still have a minute shred of latent and forlorn hope, that somehow this forced and slow vivisection will be stopped and its wounds healed, but I'm still enjoying the agonizing ride, if that never comes to pass.

So much Chaos , I bask gloriously in it.

For there is nothing greater than seeing the fiddle players blaming others for the fire and see them being still blamed for it, despite all their efforts.

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Zinyai
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#190 - 2011-09-15 00:31:27 UTC
Kick The Mittani out of CSM! We need someone less arrogant who gets facts correct.
Triggadex
Grim Dawn
#191 - 2011-09-15 01:14:32 UTC
I would love to see some T3 mining barges.

CCP Guard's Day | Wake up --- Make Coffee --- Read and Reply on forums for 7 hrs --- Have meeting --- Sleep on couch in Office

En'emu
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#192 - 2011-09-15 03:07:05 UTC
Sumos Tigerclaw wrote:
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego?


He's a goon. He is getting attention. I have no respect for him, or any goon for that matter.

I do agree with what he has said though and am enjoying the space drama.



What the **** is up with all this goon prejudice
Flamespar
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
#193 - 2011-09-15 03:13:07 UTC
En'emu wrote:


What the **** is up with all this goon prejudice


It's called Goonaphobia. Personally I think what they choose to do with each other in their CQs is their own business and they should not be discriminated against for their 'choice of lifestyle'.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#194 - 2011-09-15 13:55:32 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
[quote]But to focus primarily on Incarna for the Winter expansion would be a mistake at this point. Yes, Incarna development should continue... WOD production realities aside it would be incredibly stupid to waste all of the effort that has gone into Incarna so far. It really does have a tremendous amount of potential.


Like what? I'm drawing blanks as to what this potential is at this point....


Well you can be a virtual store clerk!

Yet another post about the "tremendous potential" of incaran without mentioning any particular thing that will actually be "tremendous."

With no combat, the only "tremendous potential" incarna offers is to use the technology to build a different game.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#195 - 2011-09-16 14:57:38 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Quote:
But to focus primarily on Incarna for the Winter expansion would be a mistake at this point. Yes, Incarna development should continue... WOD production realities aside it would be incredibly stupid to waste all of the effort that has gone into Incarna so far. It really does have a tremendous amount of potential.


Like what? I'm drawing blanks as to what this potential is at this point....


Well you can be a virtual store clerk!

Yet another post about the "tremendous potential" of incaran without mentioning any particular thing that will actually be "tremendous."

With no combat, the only "tremendous potential" incarna offers is to use the technology to build a different game.


I guess you missed this part.

[quote] also try to keep in mind that, as we have seen, there is a huge portion of the EVE community that has zero interest in combat to begin with. I'm not part of it, but yes they do exist. These people would be happy as clams to use Incarna to socialize, have meetings, buy/sell contraband, create/sell avatar related items, earn income from avatar based establishments, play EVE themed mini-games in those establishments, interact/build/sell to DUST players via Incarna, or any number of other non-combat activities.



All of which are in various stages of planning or development.

Richard did bring up the valid point that if people were interested in Incarna content of this type, where are they?

Richard, since that content is not yet in game, and most people have no idea what is planned, it's not surprising we don't hear much in the way of praise for it yet. All we have to look at currently is the tail of the elephant.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#196 - 2011-09-16 17:27:34 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

I guess you missed this part.

Quote:
also try to keep in mind that, as we have seen, there is a huge portion of the EVE community that has zero interest in combat to begin with. I'm not part of it, but yes they do exist. These people would be happy as clams to use Incarna to socialize, have meetings, buy/sell contraband, create/sell avatar related items, earn income from avatar based establishments, play EVE themed mini-games in those establishments, interact/build/sell to DUST players via Incarna, or any number of other non-combat activities.



All of which are in various stages of planning or development.

Richard did bring up the valid point that if people were interested in Incarna content of this type, where are they?

Richard, since that content is not yet in game, and most people have no idea what is planned, it's not surprising we don't hear much in the way of praise for it yet. All we have to look at currently is the tail of the elephant.



People socialize over vent eve voice etc. Looking at a computer avatar will not help people socialize.

Also FIS = more than just combat. Even if you consider shooting npcs combat, there is still mining, hauling etc.

But regardless you still haven't offered the huge potential. All of the avatar related items are sold via mt. They are not manufactured. You can then buy and sell those items for isk but that is not adding anything more to eve than any other new item ccp may produce.

Yes you can try to earn an income from avatar based establishments but I already admitted you can be a virtual storeclerk.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#197 - 2011-09-16 17:32:38 UTC
Sumos Tigerclaw wrote:
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego?


He's a goon. He is getting attention. I have no respect for him, or any goon for that matter.

I do agree with what he has said though and am enjoying the space drama.


Why do you hate goons? How much do you really know about them? I used to hate them too, I had been feed lies about them being terrible and breaking the game etc etc. But when I really opened my eyes, when I opened my mind and actually tried to learn objectively about goons, I realized they aren't half as bad as people might say.

Do you realize you are espousing a social prejudice with little basis or root in facts? Stop being a blind bigot.
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