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Meditations on the works of Gorda Hoje

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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#1 - 2012-03-03 12:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Agnosticism

To pursue Ida is known one's own enlightenment goes hand in hand with one's own ignorance. To be both a master of contemplation and the questioning student. The pursuit of enlightenment in all forms never ends. To know that rebirth is not the destination, it is the pursuit of many life times.

My path has recent lead me to meditate on the works of Gorda Hoje specifically the Truth Serum

"Gorda Hoje" wrote:

What if Truth was like a tiny speck of sand?
A speck that has been washed and weighed, polished, smoothed and curbed into one shiny point, the Universal Truth.
What if we could take this grain of sand and collect it into a book? We would treasure the book like our own life. We would lock it with the purpose of our mind.


One must be aware to comprehend ones own existence.
One must apply ones own experience and reason to determine for one's selves that which is true and and what is not.
One must escape Paramnesia, the disorder of the mind and memory in which dreams or fantasies are confused with reality.
One must not obtain "faith" from the external world but obtain "faith" from ones own objective truth.

"Gorda Hoje" wrote:

Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known.
Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door.
If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator?

You never remembered who it was that closed you in.



Should we offer uncritical acceptance of dogma, or rejecting the reality of the external world as a distortion.

My own teacher suggests that "Suspend your judgement when you consider phenomena or objects, for as they appear for you, you cannot know their true nature. Know that you can assert anything as definite. Escape the inextricable of life and attain a peace of mind."

We must accept the impossibility of absolute knowledge, but pursue it never the less.

To pursue a path to enlightenment is to escape the prison of one's own mind.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-03-03 14:40:47 UTC
Which truly makes the Serum of Truth a marvel lies in its depth and the infinite meanings one can get out of it.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#3 - 2012-03-03 17:18:46 UTC
Thanks for the reminder of this wonderful work that we read not often enough to remind us of the limits of our minds.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-04 03:56:03 UTC
I always disagreed with Hoje over one particular view he seemed to hold - elucidated in the passage "we can take more truth from it than we have earned." This phrase seems to imply that truth must be earned, whereas I strongly believe that truth - all truths, and Truth itself - is the domain and birthright of all humanity, not just a chosen few. The problem lies not in that people are unworthy of the truth, but that many, most, indeed the vast majority of people don't really want the truth. The one true thing Sansha Kuvakei ever said was "The truth will not comfort you." Of course, it wasn't really true in the context that he meant it, but as a general truism, it's certainly valid.

Lies are almost universally more comforting than truth.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Mammal Tafren
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#5 - 2012-03-04 06:41:56 UTC
I've never been entirely comfortable with the word truth and what it implies. The cluster is glutted with a number of pedlars who will try to sell you their own version of 'Truth'.

As someone who is deeply suspicious of absolute truth I wonder about this speck of sand and whether it is something that is desirable for us to try to collect at all.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2012-03-04 12:07:50 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I always disagreed with Hoje over one particular view he seemed to hold - elucidated in the passage "we can take more truth from it than we have earned." This phrase seems to imply that truth must be earned, whereas I strongly believe that truth - all truths, and Truth itself - is the domain and birthright of all humanity, not just a chosen few. The problem lies not in that people are unworthy of the truth, but that many, most, indeed the vast majority of people don't really want the truth. The one true thing Sansha Kuvakei ever said was "The truth will not comfort you." Of course, it wasn't really true in the context that he meant it, but as a general truism, it's certainly valid.

Lies are almost universally more comforting than truth.


I think that is basically what he is implying. There is a whole part in his work dedicated to the paradox of the search for truth while actually it may well be hurting us in various ways. Especially if we find that Absolute Truth, what will we do next ? What will be the raison d'ĂȘtre of scientists and people devoted to knowledge like him ?

This work is also a warning against deviances leading to consider one's own personnal truth as universal, while we still all have a long way to go on the road of knowledge.
Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#7 - 2012-03-06 00:06:19 UTC
The search for truth is an exercise in futility. The futile attempts of philosophers to dissect the universe's mysteries, the actions of man or even the ludicrous prognostications of various messiahs is a quaint little hobby better left to old men who don't realize that life and death, freedom and slavery, love and hate, ignorance and logic are the only truths that the "Greater Civilization" of New Eden holds.

Now, when inspecting the spiritual side of it feel free. Just don't expect most people to take the ramblings of a Jovian as anything other than an entertaining read while ridding your body of some digestive system destroying Caldari cuisine.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2012-03-06 19:01:22 UTC
So, I suppose that you do not really like Science ?
Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#9 - 2012-03-08 18:41:01 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
So, I suppose that you do not really like Science ?



Science is a wonderful form of logic. As pertaining to this idea that all things come (or all epiphanies of great importance) from some man thinking about "what if" is rather ludicrous.

Which is all philosophy is. A time tested way for men who have creative imaginations to say what if.


Here is an example.

I hear Minmitars of various clans arguing with Imerialists of different clans of the righteousness of slavery or the evils of slavery. Slavery may be morally repugnant to me but I take it like this. Each slave needs to grab that machete he was given to harvest crops, or that drill laser he was given to mine gold, even that rifle he was given to keep other slaves oppressed and kill every last person who would take away his ability to be a free man. Bickering over the morality of it is pointless, even if the Amarr god was real and it was indeed righteous to enslave people...

It would not matter if every person who was enslaved caste away his fear and used the supreme arbitrator in Human interaction to defend his freedom, violence.

When you build an Empire out of a collection of tribes, clans and various nations, the wanting to be free means nothing if the benefactors of that Empire quell you into so much fear that you inevitably lay down your arms and serve those who would impose themselves upon you. That's right, I believe every slave is a weak and cowardice person whose unwillingness to fight back or even the ludicrous idea that they somehow justify it makes them deserving of their own fate.

Once again, humanity is nothing more than a fight. Fight to live, fight to be free, fight to impose your will on those of others. That's humanity in a nutshell. We starship captains are no different. Contemplating the thoughts of a man whose own people are dieing out because they put too much effort into a belief of perfection when in fact they could have put themselves to work on much greater things. Practical things, things of importance and benefit to either themselves or to others as well.

So now, the Jove are nothing more than a quaint little footnote in the history of the New Eden Civilization. Forever remembered as the people who had it all but whose vain search for a philosophically contrived perfection lead to their own destruction and doom. Rightfully so, as nature usually weeds out failure.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2012-03-08 19:10:18 UTC
You are aware that philosophy firstly came out of mathematics and science, and is actually a very rigorous and cartesian science, right ?

How do you think that science hypothesises come to mind, if not by "what if" or "lets say x, what does it implies" ?
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-09 07:16:37 UTC
I personally would think the Jovians would have a rather in depth understanding of spiritual and philosophical knowledge. The simple fact that their people have been around so long would provide them with a wealth of information on both subjects. The idea that their thoughts on these subjects are somehow worthless because their race is in decline, or possibly dead, is, in polite terms, short-sighted. I would go so far as to say the Jovians' attempts to remove their aggressive instincts and modify their genome toward an ideal is actually admirable and logical. Historically speaking mankind has a severe aversion to saying "this is enough, this is all there need be." Did it turn out poorly for the Jovians? Seems that way. But their motivations are the very same that has pushed mankind to the stars, and will continue to push us to further expansion both outwardly and inwardly.

Personally I would be utterly giddy if I had the chance to discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with a Jovian, or to be given access to whatever libraries and archives they might have pertaining to those subjects.