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Remaps for PLEX!

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-03-03 18:30:45 UTC
Such an idea for plex into skill points would be cutting CCP's own throat.

While I do not have numbers, CCP's recent banning of bots was probably a ripple in what is a hurricane of botting action. There is enough dirty ISK created through botting actions that have been laundered to appear clean upon casual inspection. If forum posts and other outside sources are to be believed, then the combined amounts made over time is staggering. If the ISK is not tied up with RMT, then readily liquid assests in game are masking the ISK. Add another tid-bit I read on the forums about how many plexes have been bought but not cashed yet, a quick means of converting plex into skill points would benefit botters sooner than honest players.

As an example, CCP bans a flagrant botter. The botter buys a new account (using various means to mask their new identity from their old, banned one) with a plex off his (or her) slush fund of botted ISK carefully laundered. Then the botter cashes out some plexes to gain the required skill points to instantly be proficient in whatever ship is required for their botting actions. Then the botter ventures forth into a different area, away from their previous hot zone, and begins again, accummulating ISK to replace their previous spent, and over time, to surpass it. While it seems CCP is slow, but meticulous, with their bannings, the botter should have worry-free time spent botting until the next round when the whole cycle will begin again.

Meanwhile, a honest player might struggle to gather enough ISK with their limited playing time while having to play with patience as they wait to earn their skill points. Add how the real life economy is bad, would a player with a plex want to spend it on a quick influx of skill points or another month of gaming?

Again, while I took the liberty with some assumptions, hopefully the idea came across. Until CCP can get a grip on the botting to make it nearly pointless, the idea of plex for skill points will hurt more than help.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2012-03-03 18:51:09 UTC
Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:
It seems to me there are a number of people in this thread that can not stand the fact that if an option like this would be introduced, it would mean the people with RL bank accounts (or fat ISK) now not only can buy skillpoints by buying characters...

THEY CAN NOW SPEED UP THE PROCESS.
Yes. This is a bad thing.
Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-03-03 18:57:09 UTC
Because EVE needs to be painstakingly slow and agonizing with nobody coming out to play, and when they do, it is to be a blob that you can only counter with +5 implants.

This cat is pushing a watermelon out of a lake. Your argument is invalid.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-03-03 19:03:10 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Mohr Cowbell wrote:
No, because it gives the more affluent players an advantage. Seriously, **** that.


Would you be referring to the same affluent players that can (and do) already buy super caps and Titans with plex and also purchase with plex the pilots with which to fly them?

The can of worms was opened when GTCs could be turned into ISK as well as game time. Might as well go all the way, right?

Personally, I would buy a one time 100k sp reallocation to tidy up my older characters skill sheets.

Mr Epeen Cool


There is a vast difference between buying titans/pilots with ISK from PLEX and selling SP/remaps for PLEX. A character purchased off the forums is not created out of thin air.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-03-03 19:09:13 UTC
Quote:
A character purchased off the forums is not created out of thin air.


The amount of truth in this sentence is unprecedented. However this only applies to the person selling his/her character.

The person buying could care less if pilot in question was shat out by a squirrel.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2012-03-03 19:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:
Because EVE needs to be painstakingly slow and agonizing with nobody coming out to play, and when they do, it is to be a blob that you can only counter with +5 implants.
It doesn't have to be and it isn't. It also has no relevance on what you're suggesting.

Paying to be exempt from game mechanics is bad, period.
Quote:
However this only applies to the person selling his/her character.
It also applies to the overall “economy” of characters. Much like how ISK faucets and sinks have nothing to do with the individual pilot's wallet and yet have profound effects on the overall game, characters being spawned out of nothing may not make much difference to the person buying it, but it makes an enormous difference to the game at large.
Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-03-03 19:15:42 UTC
Quote:
Paying to be exempt from game mechanics is bad, period.


Except you already can.

So what your trying to say is. I am allowed to jerk off in front of the whole class, as long as I cover the eyes of the people in the back.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#48 - 2012-03-03 19:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Tippia wrote:


Paying to be exempt from game mechanics is bad, period.


Paying for a character is paying for an exemption. It doesn't matter that the character was built by someone else.

What matters is that the person buying it is doing an end run around the entire character development process. Easily remedied by locking characters to accounts.

Don't mistake my disdain for your selective justifications for game mechanics as agreement with buying remaps. (Surely only a total moron can manage to screw up three remaps in the first year). What I'm getting at is that once CCP opened the door by creating PLEXes, this is the logical conclusion.

In before apologist arguments explaining how PLEX cured RMT. We see how well that worked.

Mr Epeen Cool
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-03-03 21:15:49 UTC
Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:
Quote:
Paying to be exempt from game mechanics is bad, period.


Except you already can.


No, you cannot.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-03-03 21:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
I am absolutely and unequivocally opposed to gaining remaps for PLEX, skillpoints for PLEX, alternate skill training queues or what have you. How anybody could think this is a good idea is astounding to me.

Still want to train faster? Train cybernetics V and buy a full set of improved attribute enhancers. Congratulations, now you're gaining SP like nobody's business.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Wilson Yu
Masters of Ownage
#51 - 2012-03-28 17:07:35 UTC
I actually like this idea, mainly because i ****** up my remapped and now i have to wait for another year before i can train some **** that i want without losing skillpoints. eh, i play eve online like 10 hours a day literally, sometimes i might even play for 20 hours but its kind of hurts but i want get a remap to remedy my situation. To be all honest and fair, i know a fair amount of people who would love to get another remap. why not give that to us? Is it really bad for the game? I don't think so, getting skillpoints and being able to fly ships in a faster pace does not really affect the economy of the game, except for the plex price. Heck, it might even get more players into eve cause its easier to get into ships. Plus the more plex we buy the more people will buy plex off the market, the more money ccp will get. Good for everyone i guess, wouldn't that encourage ccp to fix the game even more? But seriously i really really want a remap, or at least add an option to rework your remap at least once in 72 hours when you wake up in the morning, look at your character attributes and say " wtf how come my attributes is all ****** up?"
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