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The Mittani vs Riverini, CSM 7 Brawl for All, Tonight 0000, On Eve Radio

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2012-03-03 04:43:21 UTC
It is obvious that the Mittani (or however you spell his name) is a better politician. And TBH it seems to me that riverini thinks that the CSM is a place to try to push for your own personal pet projects. Yeah, bounties need to be fixed - but this isn't the CSMs place to fix it. The Mittani has the right idea with the CSM being a sounding board for CCP and a shield to protect the players from boneheaded ideas about space pants.

That being said, I agree with riverini's ideas - I just don't think he'll make the best CSM chair. The Mittani is aggressive, cunning - and above all else - dangerously competent.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#102 - 2012-03-03 05:54:30 UTC
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Jita Alt666
#103 - 2012-03-03 07:01:21 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Just fearless wrote:
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Thanks - its a great listen. What did you make of the interview?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#104 - 2012-03-03 07:25:34 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
That being said, I agree with riverini's ideas - I just don't think he'll make the best CSM chair. The Mittani is aggressive, cunning - and above all else - dangerously competent.

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Mechaet
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-03-03 07:59:00 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
It is obvious that the Mittani (or however you spell his name) is a better politician. And TBH it seems to me that riverini thinks that the CSM is a place to try to push for your own personal pet projects. Yeah, bounties need to be fixed - but this isn't the CSMs place to fix it. The Mittani has the right idea with the CSM being a sounding board for CCP and a shield to protect the players from boneheaded ideas about space pants.

That being said, I agree with riverini's ideas - I just don't think he'll make the best CSM chair. The Mittani is aggressive, cunning - and above all else - dangerously competent.

Every one of these stupid elections people run on a truther-level stupid platform of the changes THEY want to make in Eve. That's why Mittani won CSM6, it's why he'll have CSM7 in the bag: he runs on a platform of "I want them to listen to us" instead of "I want them to listen to me". It makes him the best bet for the money as a good guy on the CSM, and even better as a chair.

Stop stupid campaigns. Vote The Mittani for Chairman.
Josef Djugashvilis
#106 - 2012-03-03 09:20:35 UTC
To Funky Bacon, get someone who can actually do a radio show.
Last night was just an utter shambles.

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Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-03-03 09:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sverige Pahis
I'm a native english speaker and I have absolutely no clue what he's trying to say. What chance do a bunch of kindly icelandic folk have in understanding a word of it?
Josef Djugashvilis
#108 - 2012-03-03 09:52:31 UTC
I wiil not vote for Mittens, as he seems to be using Eve to boost his personal ego.

But to give him credit, he sounds as if he knows what he is talking about.

Take away the overweening ego and his narrow minded factionalism, then Mittens could be a really good CSM7 candidate, for all of Eve.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-03-03 11:41:49 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I wiil not vote for Mittens, as he seems to be using Eve to boost his personal ego.

But to give him credit, he sounds as if he knows what he is talking about.

Take away the overweening ego and his narrow minded factionalism, then Mittens could be a really good CSM7 candidate, for all of Eve.


Literally everyone who runs for CSM does so to inflate their ego, the only difference is to which ones will have positive effects on Eve in the process and which ones will just ham-fistedly try to shove their terrible ideas onto CCP's drawing board because they don't understand how influence or persuasion works.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-03-03 13:50:06 UTC
I really don't think this is about Ego.

He's the head of Goonswarm. He runs an organization bigger than some real world corporations.

No, this is about trying to save the game we love from people who would push forth an agenda of Panties in Stations and other such nonsense.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2012-03-03 14:55:21 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I wiil not vote for Mittens, as he seems to be using Eve to boost his personal ego.

But to give him credit, he sounds as if he knows what he is talking about.

Take away the overweening ego and his narrow minded factionalism, then Mittens could be a really good CSM7 candidate, for all of Eve.


I don't think he brings factionalism to the CSM, but I think most of the people who dislike him do so out of their own factionalism. However, if you can't bring yourself to vote for The Mittani, you should vote for someone who can work with him, because he's definitely going to have the numbers to get on the CSM again and will probably be chairman.

I think CSM6 was a good team and most of them deserve a return ticket, and also Mittens has gone out of his way to mention Hans Jagerblitzen as someone who has made a positive contribution to CSM6 without even being on it.

But you really want to cast a vote for Mittens, you just haven't admitted it to yourself yet. It's okay, you won't have to tell anyone who you really voted for. Blink
Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-03-03 16:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Skye Aurorae
On the audio side, it was clear that Mittani ruled the day,

however I and several other CSM candidates were blocked from asking any question in the Eve-radio channel, I understand there was issues with spam from supporters, but the channel kept getting locked down completely and despite requests to the moderators both in the channel and by other means I was not given the ability to interact.

As for the DJ - Skye has been performing for 5 years now, she started on the wheels of steel when she was 2 years old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ugx2U263_I

(and her dad has been at it since the mid 80's, he even used to DJ at parties in San Francisco with a certain DJ Malloc who went on to work at CCP)

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.

Arctus Arrakis
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-03-03 16:21:45 UTC
I think that Riverini's inability to communicate his ideas makes him a poor choice for the CSM, let alone chairman. I'm not advocating discriminating due to someone not speaking English fluently, but in this venue, politics, communication is the job, and he doesn't have the basic skills required.

You wouldn't call it discrimination if the bus company refused to hire blind drivers, would you? Of course not, they lack the tools to perform the job. Same deal here. Politics means communication, and in this particular venue it means communicating in English. This is something that riverini is not truly capable of. The nail in the coffin is that he believes he is capable, as this debate was his own idea. This creates a huge gap between what riverini thinks he's saying and has said, and what's actually gotten to the ears of CCP, or in last nights case the other debater, Mittani. Who, obviously a fairly competent individual, was constantly at a loss as to the content of riverini's answers.
The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-03-03 17:30:54 UTC
It's nice to know that the new rookie ship idea came from CSM6, clearly showing they know nothing about the new player base.

Having a newer looking ship that looks COMPLETELY out of place against all other frigates is just stupid. So the first ship the new player buys looks completely different and worse not better than their weak ass rookie ship? WTF!! I would click quit by that point immediately.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-03-03 17:50:26 UTC
The Hamilton wrote:
It's nice to know that the new rookie ship idea came from CSM6, clearly showing they know nothing about the new player base.

Having a newer looking ship that looks COMPLETELY out of place against all other frigates is just stupid. So the first ship the new player buys looks completely different and worse not better than their weak ass rookie ship? WTF!! I would click quit by that point immediately.


This is about first impressions though. By the time the newbie has played a few hours to get into their next upgrade ship from the rookie frig, they're much more likely to have decided on whether they like the game and want to continue or not and will overlook the fact that there are other ugly ships later on. Plus, you don't get to choose your rookie ship, so if you're a Minmatar newbie you're getting the hideous Reaper model rubbed in your face whether you like it or not, but if you think the Rifter looks horrible compared to the Vigil or the Breacher you can pick between the T1 frigates on the market for the prettiest option - and when you're a newbie who doesn't know any better, whether you like the look of the model is likely to be one of the things that actually matters. ALL the ship models are going to get overhauled and prettified at some point, but rookie frigs are an option that would almost certainly have been overlooked in favour of sexier options if it hadn't have been bought up by the CSM.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2012-03-03 18:55:31 UTC
Skye Aurorae wrote:
however I and several other CSM candidates were blocked from asking any question in the Eve-radio channel, I understand there was issues with spam from supporters,


Goons ruin everything.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2012-03-03 19:13:51 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Skye Aurorae wrote:
however I and several other CSM candidates were blocked from asking any question in the Eve-radio channel, I understand there was issues with spam from supporters,


Goons ruin everything.


Riverini for CSM7
Ban all Goons!
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#118 - 2012-03-03 19:40:28 UTC
It was as i expected...to some point Straight

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2012-03-03 20:14:37 UTC
Drop all the panties!
Zanami Ahishatsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#120 - 2012-03-03 20:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanami Ahishatsu
While I think Riverini has some interesting ideas, Mittani is more fit for the role as chairman. He is, as he points out several times, a communicator, a better communicator than Riverini in this case. As some here point out he could benefit from toning down that ego a bit. I wouldn't count Riverini out from the CSM altogether but I don't really see him as chairman.

Also, seriously guys, tone down the thrashing. I could clearly understand Riverini almost throughout the whole session.