Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i dont see why there shouldnt be some shiny new , more costly pvp implants also having +5 on attributes.

meaning you could have e.g. a full snake set with +5 on all attributes (instead of +3 right now). this brings you on par with skilling with improved implants. of course price should be around 150mil per implant higher than current ones. provides an even better isk sink

and corpses should drop implants at some low rate, maybe 2% per implant. make them salvagable. provides more incentives to produce pod goo and bring salvagers on the field.

why? besides that it would add some interesting new aspect it makes sense to me - some valueable things are usually left.

That would be better, but it would again fix people into using certain implants for certain ships and not pvping "because they're in the wrong clone".

IMHO attribute enhancers should be moved to boosters, so for example a +5 intelligence implant would be become a +5 booster lasting x number of weeks and produced through manufacturing or bought for LP. This way the effect could become independent of what pod you're in, or whether or not you have lost it.

It would also maintain an ongoing ISK sink, as people would need to keep buying new boosters to maintain a high rate of learning.

problem is ccp has to fix booster production. Namely...source of supply. Source of supply is currenly broke imo in that required mats are even more area limited than moon goo. SOme gas clouds only exist in 1 region. Switch to booster for learning faster would just feed select 0.0 entities. This has to be fixed to be an isk sink proper. Fortress delve for example is the only source of 1 gas whose name escapes me at the moment. If the new boosters use this gas....its more of an isk faucet for those residents who mine that gas than an isk sink for the game. Fortress delve does not need a new a new isk faucet. they have some moons and I do miss my ratting there for sure.... made me some damn good isk in the past there. Same goes for other 0.0 regions that only provide certain gases.

Secondly, no drug labs in empire. Puts empire dwellers out of the loop and takes missions runners out of an isk maker. Market will go to utter **** jsut like pi wrecked so many markets as the few who run this determine price. Current system fine for this, 1000's of storylines run daily, 1000's of + 3 and 4's on the market not at need ky pricing. At least for +3's....which mentioned several times here are a pvp'er's best friend.

Besides the isk issues above....also have the slight issue of ccp would go be going backwards in time. the learning skills they took forever to remove would come back. In the form of the skills that affect boosters. Shooting a booster may as well learn those biology related skills for them. New can of worms there with new player whines about older players having edges. And it be somewhat legit. Bitter vet pvp'ers should have these well trained most likely, New player has to make a long layover in science skills to catch up. To learn skills they may not even use except to make learning boosters work better even if they pvp. Never dropped blue bill in the blob for example. No need....buffer or passive tank, no shield booster for it to work with.

As I said, they should be produced either by manufacturing or bought for LP.

Also, the regional gasses thing is mostly because of the way drug production is split between certain NPC types providing the mats for the various different boosters (E.G. caldari = blue pill). Since attribute modifiers are neutral, and not currently associated with any specific race or faction, there is no reason they would be in the future. So production could easily just use globally found materials.

Also, most of the skills that effect boosters involve handling side effects, I didn't propose any side effects. The only skill involved would be biology effecting duration.


People min/max. It's human nature.

Give someone a free sig reducation with their intelligence implant, and they'll resent using it because their battleship doesn't benefit from it. Give them no bonus at all and they won't mind in the slightest.

Unless of course you mean you are going to be giving people genuinely pointless boosts? In which case I think the "genuinely pointless" part of that sentence conveys my issues with that idea.


Yes... "virtual" drug addicts


They certainly wouldn't be able to use the current system, the easiest method would be to keep the current supply chains used for implant creation, but modify the ISK and LP cost to create a similar or slightly large ISK sink over time as currently exists.

That way they could keep the current booster production system for performance boosters (although tbh that could do with tweaking anyway), and adopt LP/incursions etc. as the method for acquiring attribute boosters.

Not that I'm claiming that would be the best way, but it would be the easiest and most predictable method of swapping from implants to boosters.

+5 learning rate is a privilege that comes with wealth and risk taking. You have no entitlement to it. While many pvpers die and run right back out 2 seconds later the game isn't designed with that in mind. Your fights are supposed to be somewhat planned and well thought out. If you disregard this protocol and play by the seat of your pants you take the higher risk.

People with hundreds of billions of ISK can use +5 implants and die multiple times a day. Its all about finances and how adept you are at staying alive. If your bankroll is low and you die often then you have no right or ability to maintain the higher learning rate. No the game shouldn't be changed to make it where you are equal in that right. There is no difference between a pvp and a pve player aside from what activity they are doing at that given moment. Its one game, EVE, not two games in one. There are only players, no pvpers and no pvers.

I understand your point perfectly. A person who avoids conflict and stays docked up trading and making money is also training at a higher rate. A person that suffers from adrenaline addiction and can't stand doing anything in EVE that isn't putting his avatar in peril every 5 minutes can't train as fast as the previous because he's taking more risk and said person doesn't have the bankroll to finance the risk. Thats working as intended. Its the traders advantage, much like combat inclined characters advantage when the two meet head on in war. Its also a choice that everyone makes from the start of their career in EVE. Do I master the market first and have the cash later to finance heavier combat or do I master combat earlier on to protect myself before making market moves.

I assume by your outrage you understood my point perfectly.

This is one thing that bothers me in Eve, while i agree that having no XP is one of the best things in EVE, the fact that you get no SP benefict from actual experience is dumb, all knowlege in eve is theorical. I realize that there are many threads about it alread and i haven't read them, but i think a way to improve this is give a little bonus in SP while you are doing things related to the skills.

So if you are out Killing or get Killed you get a bonus (5% maybe) on SP for combat related skills, if you are transporting things you get a 5% bonus on skills related to it, and so on (some activities will be dificult to think about a trigger to the bonus, but that is another problem). That bonnus lasts for 2 hours for exmple, so when you stop fighting you lose the bonus.

This should compensate for the loss of the atributes for jumping to a new clone with cheaper implants. And Solve the problem for new players too, as they can get a bonus for playing the game and do not put implants for a while.

Then its a good thing its not linked to any particular space. It's linked to isk in wallet, risk aversion and individual determination.

And for attempting to use "the newbs" like people use "the kids", you sir, are worse than Hatler.

It is linked to empire, have you ever undocked in Eve? Why are you even discussing this? Are we playing the same game?

Oh Christ I just looked up your combat record, nvm. I lol'd.


Some things effect new players more than old players, deal with it.